I used volunteer chaplains often at death scenes. They were a great help. Even with non-believers they are trained in what to say and what not to say. There is no downside to them. They are not there to witness, per se, but to counsel.

Bottom line is, I admit they could deal with the grief issue better than I, so it is stupid not to use them. They were blessings not only to the family, but to me also.

Jawbone, that is one of the most logical responses I've seen. Have a safe day out there, sir.

I'm not sure if I understand what some of you guys are thinking or what you are saying about atheist and not having a belief system in Christianity. It's a faith religion and basically the only religion that your faith in Jesus is placed above your good deeds. Christians sometime bring these things on themselves with their behavior. Preachers having affairs, Sunday school teacher gets a DUI etc. these people aren't perfect just like I'm not perfect. I'm a saved sinner! Simple as that! My faith is in someone's hands and thank god that my salvation doesn't rest in my hands because I would screw it up! For the people who do not believe I haven't and will not pass judgement on you but I always encourage people to explore these things in depth and then if they still do not see then soon enough they will.

myself i don't care , the people they visit at crime scene can easily tell them to leave . i don't see where there would be a problem as long as they are to help spiritually and to comfort the victim and not to push one set faith or belief .

and i agree with you . why i see nothing wrong with the program . but , if he break out the bible and starts thumping it then i might have a problem with it .

I dont understand why non believers get so uptight or have a problem about something they dont believe in.

What folks need to understand is that there are TWO versions of the U.S. Constitution. These are:

1. The original intent, purpose and meaning version.

2. The socialist and atheist version.

Since the early 1960s the atheist and socialist version has become predominant due to the multitude of very organized and extremely aggressive radical revolutionary movements from the atheist and socialist Left. They predominate the colleges, universities and courts now. And they know exactly what they are doing.

Bill's right.

Christians and atheists both start out believing what they do because of what they read or someone else told them. However, Christians can graduate from believing to KNOWING; atheists can't. If you look for ways to prove God isn't real, then you will not know the truth until death. If you actually look FOR God, he will reveal himself to you and you will KNOW. The burden of proof lies with the nonbeliever. I don't need scientific evidence to prove love, hate, or fear exist. The same goes for Christ. Seek and you will find. It is far easier than you might think.

in my case you are soooooooo wrong . in many cases i believe you would be wrong . imo , to not believe in some thing one much understand it .

Who said he was wrong....

who created the "big bang". I don't disagree that evolution has and will continue to happen, and maybe the way God created the heavens and earth was somewhat like the "big bang" theory (that by the way, no one really believes anymore). but something to consider. Either there is a God that created everything or our we can take laws of physics and throw them in the trash. Evolution as seen by atheist completely goes against simple physics. My dad has his doctorate in physics, masters in Aero Space Engineering, worked for NASA for 30 years, designed and put a satellite into space 3 times, was agnostic in college but after several years of intense studying of the Bible as well as other historical writings he became a Christian. If you don't believe I would suggest at least taking the time to study and talk to someone like my dad. Talking to preachers and "lifetime" christians is great but I believe some people like my dad can relate better and also have the scientific back ground to be relevant. CS Lewis is another good one and there are many more. You have to look past university professors...there are many, many scientists that believe in God.

As a Christian we are to tell others about the love of Jesus Christ. I will not tell what denomination but just say I am a follower of Jesus Christ. Im not perfect nor will I ever be but he saved me from drugs and living in crack houses to a wonderful lIfe with a great job, wonderful Godly wife and children. All I hear is prove this or prove that. God wants you to believe without proof. It was easy for the disciples to believe, they saw Jesus after he rose. They felt the holes in his hands and feet, they ate with him, but we dont have that luxury. I would suggest anyone that does not believe or is an athiest read this book, I challenge you to read it with an open mind. Crap, ill even buy it for you, this was wriiten by one of the most out spoken athiests

http://www.amazon.com/Case-Christ-Journa...ords=Lee+stobel

why not read the bible . it's a pretty good read .

True, it is a great read, even you as an atheist can read it. The devil knows the Bible inside out better than we do. It seems though when the offer of proving you wrong you always say read the bible, like its a cop out and you do not truly want to see the facts about scientific proof of Christ. I am not impressed you can read the Bible, anyone can do that. Oh, and when I use the word you I mean atheist in general

Well, I guess I haven't been clear, I never said I was an athiest or that I doubted the existance of Jesus, but I probably believe in a very different God than most preachers talk about on Sunday morning.

no doult Jesus was a living breathing man and so was his teachings . i also believe the bible to be mostly a historical book in some ways. why i stated , why not just read the bible ? though the bible is mostly stories , true or false ever story has a meaning or point . still a good book to read believer or not .

myself i never care to ask for proof of any religion .


like in this case the non-believer's are doing the same thing they fear from believer's , forcing their belief's on to others .

i have a problem with any belief being pushed onto others . last time i checked we are free to choose .

Have you ever read the Gospels, Matthew ,Mark ,Luke , and John?
I had a different view of God until I did and met the real God from the Bible.

One thing you and I agree on is pushing any religion
On someone. I do tell people about Jesus and what
He did in my life and it is up to them to believe or not

How do you believe Jesus was a real person? From the Bible?
You believe that because the Bible said so??? You have no proof
He was a real person though? You cannot pick and
Choose what you want to believe from the Bible. You have to
Believe all of it or none of it. I choose to believe it. You said
It was just a book by men, or someone did. It is a book
Inspired by God. If you study it and k ow the times the
Books where written there is so much that coincides there
Is no way a bunch if men could have wrote all those
Books and planned it that way.