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Hog issues.
#778129
12/12/13 10:49 AM
12/12/13 10:49 AM
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Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 11,348 Prattville AL
ElkHunter
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Posts: 11,348
Prattville AL
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I am placing this here instead of in the hog section because I feel it is the single most dangerous to the land topic hunters/landowners will face in the years to come. Hogs are and will continue to destroy land and ecosystems. I am just curious to see what opinions are out there.
I honestly think the feral hog issue is a train wreck in the making. And I feel we have to change our approach. We can't continue to do the same thing and expect different results.
Should it be legal to transport live hogs within the State?
Should a depredation permit be required to bait hogs?
Should a depredation permit be required to hunt hogs at night?
Should there be restrictions on trapping hogs?
Should there be restrictions on baiting hogs?
Should there be restrictions on hunting hogs with dogs?
Should a hunting license be required to hunt hogs?
Should hogs be considered a game animal?
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Re: Hog issues.
[Re: ElkHunter]
#778138
12/12/13 10:58 AM
12/12/13 10:58 AM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,049 Sylacauga
doecommander
things that make you go hmmmmmmm
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things that make you go hmmmmmmm
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Posts: 4,049
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I think you should be able to hunt them over bait during non deer and turkey season months.
doecommander out...........................
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Re: Hog issues.
[Re: doecommander]
#778147
12/12/13 11:03 AM
12/12/13 11:03 AM
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Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,060 God's Country
bowhunter86
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I think you should be able to hunt them over bait during non deer and turkey season months. x2, I also think you should be able to hunt them at night. I don't think they should be a game animal either.
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Re: Hog issues.
[Re: ElkHunter]
#778165
12/12/13 11:15 AM
12/12/13 11:15 AM
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Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 13,323 In a Van, down by the River
quailman
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Booner
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Fully Automatic weapons should be legal for them also.
Life is a journey. Make sure and bring plenty of Beer.
My luck has been so bad lately, it could be raining pussies and I'd catch one with a dick broke off in it.
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Re: Hog issues.
[Re: ElkHunter]
#778172
12/12/13 11:20 AM
12/12/13 11:20 AM
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Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 10,014 North Jackson
ridgestalker
Booner
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Posts: 10,014
North Jackson
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Declare war on them and the coyotes.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Hog issues.
[Re: ElkHunter]
#778186
12/12/13 11:29 AM
12/12/13 11:29 AM
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Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 759 southwest alabama
aldoghunter
4 point
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I think feral hogs should be considered as an invasive/nuisance animal,not only should you be able to hunt them by any means,there should be a BOUNTY put on them.Oh and the answer to your questions is NO to all of them.
Be safe & have fun
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Re: Hog issues.
[Re: ElkHunter]
#778196
12/12/13 11:38 AM
12/12/13 11:38 AM
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Posts: 19,013 .
ford150man
Old Mossy Horns
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Silencers should also be allowed. Poisoning should not due to the risk to other animals. Permits should not be required. Baiting, night hunting, trapping (as long as its a live trap as mentioned before) should all be allowed. IMO
If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.-Mark Twain
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Re: Hog issues.
[Re: Delta Dave]
#778243
12/12/13 12:34 PM
12/12/13 12:34 PM
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Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 9,929 Mobile, AL
alhawk
14 point
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Posts: 9,929
Mobile, AL
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So you guys that are saying no to all. You don't think you should be able to trap, keep small ones to raise and slaughter? Or castrate the hogs to be slaughtered later? Those typically require transportation within state.
Also I see bigger problems with running dogs for hogs than I do for deer if there is no regulation. I think the transport issue is more on the lines of relocating. This is what has been happening for years and is causing problems now. Mr. X catches hogs in the Delta. Mr. Z thinks it will be cool to have a few "wild boars" on his 2000 acres. 5 pigs become 200 in short order and then the nomadic bastages have taken over that area of the county. If they are cut and can not breed, could be moved. Shoot any time and over any bait.
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Re: Hog issues.
[Re: ElkHunter]
#778282
12/12/13 01:21 PM
12/12/13 01:21 PM
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Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 16,325 Montgomery
bamaeyedoc
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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I'll weigh in. I emphatically agree with your assessment of the hog situation in our state. I've personally seen what they can to a farmer's field, a food plot, and a hardwood bottom. They are terrifically destructive.
1. No. And not just no, but hell no. Nor should you transport them to another state. 2. Yes. Only if to attempt one from shooting deer over bait 3. Yes but night hunting only allowed during closed deer season 4. No but you should be required to kill any you trap and should not transport them alive to another property. 5. Yes. But only during open deer and turkey seasons. 6. Yes. Limited to daylight hours only during deer and turkey season. Hunt them at night with dogs otherwise if desired. 7. Yes. You should have to have a license to hunt/kill any wild animal that has a open season in Alabama. 8. No. My only argument would be that since I do not think there should be a bag limit on hogs, I wouldn't consider them a game animal that should be managed. I don't feel that wanton waste should be implemented either. If you kill some and have someone that will eat it, use it for self consumption or give to someone who will eat the meat. Otherwise, I'm good with letting them rot where they fall. I guess one could use the carcass as a bait station for the other animal I loathe, the coyote. Buzzards got to eat. Same as a worm.
I do not and will never understand why people want to hunt and trap hogs AND LET THEM LIVE??? There people on this site that do a lot of hog hunting. I get the sporting and excitement aspect of the chase. Heck, I'd like to participate if given the opportunity! But these animals are out of control. This isn't meant to offend anyone but I cannot understand the logic of catching then castrating a boar then turning him loose. I guess the reason is so they can have a hog to chase again. I just don't get it. You've taken him out of the breeding business but he's still going to damage crops, root up forests, destroy food plots, forage on acorns and food that native animals eat, and so on. I know some folk want to keep a small pig to fatten up for consumption later. I disagree with that. Kill one that is the size you want and eat that one. They have no natural enemies so it's up to man to do our best to eradicate them.
To my knowledge, feral hogs serve no useful purpose to the natural flora and fauna that exists in our ecosystem. They reproduce like rats (if not more prolific) and will eat anything that grows or they can catch. I say kill everyone that you see by any means necessary. Boars, sows, shoats, embryos, fetal pigs, whatever. No survivors. Hold no quarter. Take no prisoners.
Dr. B
Last edited by bamaeyedoc; 12/12/13 01:25 PM.
AKA: “Dr. B” Aldeer #121 8-3-2000 Proud alum of AUM, UAB, and UA Member of Team 10 Point 2023-2024 ALdeer Deer Contest Winners
Glennis Jerome "Jerry" Harris 1938-2017 UGA Class of 1960 BS/MS Forestry LTJG, USNR
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Re: Hog issues.
[Re: bamaeyedoc]
#778288
12/12/13 01:28 PM
12/12/13 01:28 PM
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Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 13,323 In a Van, down by the River
quailman
Booner
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Booner
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 13,323
In a Van, down by the River
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I'll weigh in. I emphatically agree with your assessment of the hog situation in our state. I've personally seen what they can to a farmer's field, a food plot, and a hardwood bottom. They are terrifically destructive.
1. No. And not just no, but hell no. Nor should you transport them to another state. 2. Yes. Only if to attempt one from shooting deer over bait 3. Yes but night hunting only allowed during closed deer season 4. No but you should be required to kill any you trap and should not transport them alive to another property. 5. Yes. But only during open deer and turkey seasons. 6. Yes. Limited to daylight hours only during deer and turkey season. Hunt them at night with dogs otherwise if desired. 7. Yes. You should have to have a license to hunt/kill any wild animal that has a open season in Alabama. 8. No. My only argument would be that since I do not think there should be a bag limit on hogs, I wouldn't consider them a game animal that should be managed. I don't feel that wanton waste should be implemented either. If you kill some and have someone that will eat it, use it for self consumption or give to someone who will eat the meat. Otherwise, I'm good with letting them rot where they fall. I guess one could use the carcass as a bait station for the other animal I loathe, the coyote. Buzzards got to eat. Same as a worm.
I do not and will never understand why people want to hunt and trap hogs AND LET THEM LIVE??? There people on this site that do a lot of hog hunting. I get the sporting and excitement aspect of the chase. Heck, I'd like to participate if given the opportunity! But these animals are out of control. This isn't meant to offend anyone but I cannot understand the logic of catching then castrating a boar then turning him loose. I guess the reason is so they can have a hog to chase again. I just don't get it. You've taken him out of the breeding business but he's still going to damage crops, root up forests, destroy food plots, forage on acorns and food that native animals eat, and so on. I know some folk want to keep a small pig to fatten up for consumption later. I disagree with that. Kill one that is the size you want and eat that one. They have no natural enemies so it's up to man to do our best to eradicate them.
To my knowledge, feral hogs serve no useful purpose to the natural flora and fauna that exists in our ecosystem. They reproduce like rats (if not more prolific) and will eat anything that grows or they can catch. I say kill everyone that you see by any means necessary. Boars, sows, shoats, embryos, fetal pigs, whatever. No survivors. Hold no quarter. Take no prisoners.
Dr. B Great stuff Doc. As I've always said, if you don't have hogs on your lease, you have no idea how fast things get out of hand.
Life is a journey. Make sure and bring plenty of Beer.
My luck has been so bad lately, it could be raining pussies and I'd catch one with a dick broke off in it.
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Re: Hog issues.
[Re: ElkHunter]
#778291
12/12/13 01:32 PM
12/12/13 01:32 PM
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Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,543 Marshall County
FurFlyin
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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Posts: 39,543
Marshall County
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I dang sure don't think it should be legal to transport live hogs. Hogs getting a ride in the back of a pickup truck is one of the main reasons they are spreading so fast.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: Hog issues.
[Re: ElkHunter]
#778326
12/12/13 02:14 PM
12/12/13 02:14 PM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,576 Centreville AL.
sbo1971
10 point
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10 point
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,576
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I think you should be able to hunt them anyway you want; at least on private property. Stupid things have caused me nothing but problems and we've only had them for a year.
Elite Omnia, Easton FMJ, Axcel Landslyde 5 pin slider.
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Re: Hog issues.
[Re: ElkHunter]
#778435
12/12/13 03:41 PM
12/12/13 03:41 PM
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Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 10,997 Warrior River Country
49er
Booner
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Booner
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Posts: 10,997
Warrior River Country
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I am placing this here instead of in the hog section because I feel it is the single most dangerous to the land topic hunters/landowners will face in the years to come. Hogs are and will continue to destroy land and ecosystems. I am just curious to see what opinions are out there.
I honestly think the feral hog issue is a train wreck in the making. And I feel we have to change our approach. We can't continue to do the same thing and expect different results.
Should it be legal to transport live hogs within the State?
Should a depredation permit be required to bait hogs?
Should a depredation permit be required to hunt hogs at night?
Should there be restrictions on trapping hogs?
Should there be restrictions on baiting hogs?
Should there be restrictions on hunting hogs with dogs?
Should a hunting license be required to hunt hogs?
Should hogs be considered a game animal? Fix this rule: ______________________________________________________________ 220-2-.06 Game Animals DesignatedThe following animals are hereby designated as game animals: Bear, Beaver, Coyote, Deer, Opossum, Rabbit, Raccoon, Squirrel, Nutria, Fox, Mountain Lion (Cougar), Groundhog, Bobcat, Red Wolf, Feral Swine (Wild Hog), except those feral swine reduced to the personal possession of a landowner or his agent, provided, however, that notwithstanding such reduction to personal possession, in the event such feral swine are hunted, they shall at such time of hunting be designated as game animals.... and repeal this rule: ______________________________________________________________ 220-2-.86 Feral Swine Regulation
All feral swine (wild hogs) found in the wild are hereby classed as game animals. The seasons and methods for taking feral swine will be as provided in Rule 220-2-.01. Once reduced to personal possession of the landowner or agent, feral swine will no longer be considered a game animal. However, feral swine will be considered a game animal at any time they are hunted. Notwithstanding any other regulation to the contrary, it shall be unlawful to transport feral swine alive beyond the boundaries of the property from which they are taken without a permit from the local conservation officer, or to release feral swine into any area of the state, except they may be released onto the property from which they were originally taken. _____________________They will no longer be protected animals. Then you can kill them like crows and black birds.
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Re: Hog issues.
[Re: ElkHunter]
#778554
12/12/13 04:41 PM
12/12/13 04:41 PM
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Posts: 3,701 muscle shoals
todd w
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Should it be legal to transport live hogs within the State? No
Should a depredation permit be required to bait hogs? No
Should a depredation permit be required to hunt hogs at night? Yes
Should there be restrictions on trapping hogs? No
Should there be restrictions on baiting hogs? NO
Should there be restrictions on hunting hogs with dogs? Absofreakinglutely
Should a hunting license be required to hunt hogs? Yes
Should hogs be considered a game animal? No
I think you need the permits for night o hunting to keep it safe. That way enforcement can keep up with what is going on. i personally call the officer I work with every time I went after dark. This helps them eliminate calls due to neighbors hearing shots.
I do think you have to use all available methods, but using them at the same time can counteract one another. I can have 30-40 hogs per night coming to a trap and a neighbor 5 or 6 properties over turns his dang dog loose and I lose the chance to trap the hogs for weeks. I think you should have to have a permit to run dogs on a property, but it needs to be a large enough property that you do not have to worry about you dogs crossing onto neighbors land.
It is what it is.
Inspect what you Expect.
Hunting TN, AL, KY, and IL.
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