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Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: Teacher One] #68636
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Dogs dont bother deer???? Are you serious Clark???? Wouldnt you say that the experience of a a pack of screaming hounds jumping a deer up from their sanctuary and chasing said deer for 30 minutes,while a couple rounds of buckshot peppers their hide would bother the deer? I think so. I dont think dog hunting should be banned, but dont say it doesnt bother the deer.



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I stick to my words. I've hunted in dog clubs, I hunt now where coyote hounds are run all the time (still do) and I belong to a beagle club where beagles are trained on rabbits 365 days a year.

The deer don't act bothered one bit. On our farm and lease, I've seen over 100 deer this year. Always killed more than my share while still hunting on dog clubs and the beagle club could stand about 25 being shot off it.

Deer in my yard every night with 14 screaming beagles 50ft away. Neighborhood dogs chase them all the time and they keep coming back.

I'll stick to my words. Like wind, rain, hot and cold, it bothers humans but don't bother the deer.

I got a friend that leases 1500 acres in Georgia. They run and train rabbit dogs year round on it, even during deer season. On 1500 acres, they average 35 does and 5 mature bucks a year. Don't bother them one bit.

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Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: AlabamaSwamper] #69288
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Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: Teacher One] #69405
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I wouldnt want to tell anyone how to hunt and therefore wouldnt advocate making dog hunting illegal, but I stopped dog hunting after it was outlawed in Randolph County back in the 80s. I didnt hunt the next year (because i was still pissed off about it) then when I started back i noticed i was seeing more deer. After 3 years of no dog hunting the deer population (and the amount we were shooting in my club) increased by 3 or 4 times. I havent dog hunted since. Now i have a place in Clay County and can hear dogs running deer almost every time i hunt. I wish they werent there because i know how the hunting would improve if it were banned. I just wish i could convince my deer dogging brethren of that.

If i had my druthers, we would go to a state issued tagging system to 'officially' limit what a person could kill in a season. Then, i would move the season open/close dates back a month and make the last 2 or 3 weeks of Feb open for dog hunting. The height of the rut will have passed by then, and if you had used you tags prior to the start of the short season for dogs, you couldnt participate...

Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: Frankie] #70326
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We also hunt in Colber co. Our land used to be in a dog club and I grew up hunting with that club. My dad was a hound man and we always had a pack of dogs. There were miles of unbroken woods ro tun the dogs in. I vigorously defended the rights of dog hunters even after it was no longer my preferred method of hunting. However, recent experiences with the club bordering us has changed my mind. It won't bother me if I never hear another dog bark on a deer trail again. All we ask is they don't drive on a common road between daylight and 9:30 and between 3 pm and dark. They can't even abide by this. Riding up and down the roads on 4 wheelers in prime hunting time. Turning dogs loose on their land, but right on the border, turning 4-5 packs loose on 800 acres about 50 days a season puts a lot or pressure on the deer. It wouldn't be as bad if their dogs would actually run. Most will run a deer, forward, backwards, a covered track, or each other. I never thought I would say it but I would like to see dog hunting banned in Colbert Co. I used to say there was room for all of us. My recent experiences have changed that. From my experience, real hound men are becoming rare.

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Therein lies the majority of the problem!!!

I defend the DOGS until the end.

The sorry sum-bucks that let them run at large and use them in unethical hunting practices are the demise of a great tradition.

Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: Teacher One] #72061
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I hunt in the area of Fayette County where deer hunting with dogs is still allowed. We are a small four man club and this is our second year to hunt this property. We are keeping a log of the number of hunts we have had ruined by dogs running all over us vs the number of times we don't. The numbers are not even close. The dogs have ruined most of our hunts this year. We have had game cameras out since late summer and most deer movement is after dark. We hunt very little compared to most places so we are not pressuring our deer into being nocturnal. I c an only assume that this too is due to the constant harassement by the dogs. We even hadd deer dogs running deer on our property last year during spring turkey season.
I recently printed the 150 pages of minutes from the 2008 advisory board meeting when the decision to oleave this area dog hunting was made. I firmly believe that decision was made because one large hunting club in that area is doing things right. I ask, if one car drives the speed limit on the interstate, does that give everyone else the right to drive ove rthe speed limit.
We contacted the local conservation office and ask what could be done about our problem. I was supprised when we were told to capture the dogs and call the humane society in Fayette to have them picked up. This would start a "paper trail" that could be used to then execute the law against the dog owners.When we ask if the humane society was available to pick the dogs up on weekends, we were told we would have to do this during the week. I did not know the game wardens had outsourced their responsibilities to others.
I have ask my stalk hunting neighbors who have hunted there much longer than I have why they have never tried to do anything about this problem. The answer is the same from all - we cannot do anything because of the retatiation that will occur. This includes out of towners like me as well as land owner reidents who border our land.
I would like to attend this years advisory board meeting. Can anyone tell me how to find out the date and location/

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I did not know the game wardens had outsourced their responsibilities to others.


They haven't. Your complaint should be addressed to the Fayette county sheriff after you collect the necessary evidence needed to support your complaint in court. If you are not willing to press charges or serve as a witness in court, forget it. You're wasting his time and yours.

The only responsibility the game wardens ever had to handle a complaint of domestic animals running at large is their general authority to enforce all laws of the state as peace officers. Domestic animal complaints fall under Title 3 of the Code of Alabama if you care to look at it. The primary duty of game wardens is, by law, the enforcement of the game and fish laws found in Title 9 of the Code. Title 9 does not authorize the Conservation Advisory Board to settle encroachment onto property by domestic animals complaints thru the banning of hunting either.

The CAB hunting bans are a miscarriage of justice. The accused have no rights to be confronted with the evidence and witnesses against them in court before they are punished. The innocent who happen to be located within the same general area as defined however the CAB chooses to define it suffer the same punishment as well. That's about as much an un-American and un-democratic policy as you can get. For someone wealthy enough and having enough time to fight it, a lawsuit claiming breach of due process would likely bring that policy to an abrupt end.

Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: Teacher One] #72125
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I haven't hunted deer with dogs in over 20+ years, but they have their place and rights too. More time should be spent on: 1) The people (resident/nonresident) that kill more than the allotted number of bucks. 2) The ones that Poach deer by spotlighting or shooting off others properties.


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Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: BDhunts] #72138
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Good post, as usual, 49er!


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Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: Teacher One] #72307
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I originally posted this two weeks ago and still stand firm that dogs are not what makes me tick. A 15 minute deer drive and the rest of the day they spend on other properties looking for their dogs. Riding roads, drinking, etc. I hunted another property this weekend and watched a young buck swim the creek and go into some pines on the other side. About 3 minutes later, I see ripples up the creek where the deer crossed and it is a dog that is trailing the deer and not barking at all. Not only are the dog hunters pressuring the deer, but the tame ones are also. By the way, some of the hunters will continue to run dogs until the last day of deer season even when the "dog season" is closed. I can't wait for Saturday and the end of dog season!


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Loved running dogs till it was banned in Fayette County. When handled correctly its a blast and most of the still hunting guys around us loved it due to us pushing big bucks on them while hunting in the morning. Heck some would even call and see where we was turning loose. We never ran in the evening due to losing dogs. Everyone would go stand hunt and had very good luck catching deer slipping back in after being shook up. Like someone said a few bad apples gives everyone a bad name. Most dog hunters don't trespass on peoples land to hunt but they definately try to catch the dogs on surrounding public roads. How many still hunters do you think has trespassed on us all and we never knew. Its alot easier to slip in and trespass stalk hunting than dog hunting. If you have to be around dog hunters give them a chance when you catch them around your property to see if they are honestly trying to get out of your way then if not take action. Think most would be suprised to find out how helpful they would be due to wanting to keep dog hunting but then if some guys are just an A$$ they could care less about dog hunting and want it banned no matter how its handled. I have done both and would compare bucks with anyone who says dog hunters can't still hunt.

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Funny thing is the HSUS loves to see us hunters argue over issues just like this. I think that all people that hunt, fish, rodeo, do anything with animals need to pull together and put our emphasis against these crazy PETA and HSUS groups rather than each other. They want to see all Hunting, Fishing Rodeo, and everyhing concerning animals outlawed and they have plenty of money to pad the polititions pockets to get the vote they need to get it all outlawed. When dog hunting is outlawed it will be a matter of time before still hunting will be outlawed too. I have a 775 acre lease that joins a 15000 acre dog hunting club. We have not been messed up the first time in three years by dog hunters.


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15,000 acres for dogs and they have not crossed your property! You must be surrounded by a high fence operation. The club that surrounds me runs dogs every day of the week-straight across my property. They then cross the hunting club I am in and then cross to my friends property in the bottom, then to my sons private property, then to the doctors property, then to who knows where??? I waited for two weeks to get a South East wind to hunt an area of cut over that holds a good deer I have on camera. I left school, drove like a mad man to the club, climbed the tree, and then here comes the dogs. Running a half grown doe. My hunt was ruined for the day. I later killed the deer I was hunting when the dog season ended. If the dog hunting lease ever opens up, I will own it. That will end my problem with them. Tired of hearing "I'm looking for my dogs".


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Funny thing is the HSUS loves to see us hunters argue over issues just like this. I think that all people that hunt, fish, rodeo, do anything with animals need to pull together and put our emphasis against these crazy PETA and HSUS groups rather than each other. They want to see all Hunting, Fishing Rodeo, and everyhing concerning animals outlawed and they have plenty of money to pad the polititions pockets to get the vote they need to get it all outlawed. When dog hunting is outlawed it will be a matter of time before still hunting will be outlawed too. ...


Your still hunting bag limit for whitetail bucks has already been reduced by 98% at the same time dog hunting was being banned. Qdm advocates say it was "for the health of the herd". We are now 3 bucks away from the goals of PETA and HSUS as it relates to whitetail bucks thanks to QDMA, ALFA and AWF.

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Originally Posted By: Teacher One
15,000 acres for dogs and they have not crossed your property! You must be surrounded by a high fence operation. The club that surrounds me runs dogs every day of the week-straight across my property. They then cross the hunting club I am in and then cross to my friends property in the bottom, then to my sons private property, then to the doctors property, then to who knows where??? I waited for two weeks to get a South East wind to hunt an area of cut over that holds a good deer I have on camera. I left school, drove like a mad man to the club, climbed the tree, and then here comes the dogs. Running a half grown doe. My hunt was ruined for the day. I later killed the deer I was hunting when the dog season ended. If the dog hunting lease ever opens up, I will own it. That will end my problem with them. Tired of hearing "I'm looking for my dogs".


I don`t know about the deer in your area but the bucks down my way will lay up and let a dog run right by them. I`m not saying you don`t have problems with dogs but the problem actually is probably the dog hunters in your area. Like I said in my last post I haven`t had a problem at all with the dog hunters in my area. I haven`t seen a hound one on my lease in three years. The 775 acre lease that I`m on has a WMA on the East side and the dog hunting club on the West side. I hunt timber company leased land and I have sat several times hoping the dogs would come through to get the deer stiring. I know from years of experience that when the dogs come through there will be several deer slipping that the dogs are not running. As far as running every day, I had a hound hanging around my property several years ago that would run deer every night. I couldn`t catch the dog but asked around and found out whose dog it was and he came and got the dog. He ran deer every night for at least two weeks and the deer were right back the next night. The dog hunting club beside My lease has a rule that all the dogs turned loose has to have a tracking system on them. I`m not trying to start no fuss or nothing I`m just trying to let folks know that if we don`t pull together we are ALL going to fall. Take care, Jon


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atleast most us dog hunters hunt legally instead of sitting over a corn pile in the woods. and if my deer dogs get off our property. i go ask the individual who owns the property if i can go and get em. i have never had anyone tell me i couldnt. running deer dogs and coondogs is a way of life for me. and i will never let a still hunter take that away from me. our club averages over 20 bucks a year. we hunt every day and dont kill does. and we have killed some monster bucks for south alabama piney woods. and we will continue to do so season after season...

what really needs to be outlawed is corn under a night light!!!!
but you never hear any of these still hunters complaining about that.
if there is any kind of feed under a night light there should be a fine

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Originally Posted By: bassmaster1228
and if my deer dogs get off our property. i go ask the individual who owns the property if i can go and get em. i have never had anyone tell me i couldnt.


...and therein lies the problem. Most dog hunters think, "Well, if my dogs run onto your property, I'll just go get them." No consideration whatsoever for the fact that the adjoining land owner doesn't want the deer on his property molested by dogs, doesn't want other hunters tromping over his land bumping deer and stinking the place up with their scent, doesn't want his peaceful morning ruined by some yipping beagle or baying hound.

I've watched "legal" dog hunters drive up to property lines and drop their dogs, knowing full well that 99 out of 100 times those dogs are headed on a chase off of their land and onto the adjoining property. Then, they drive around the road and try to head them off on the other side.

It's this kind of disregard and disrespect by dog hunters that leads a good friend of mine to take his hunting knife and gut dogs like a fish before burying them in a shallow grave. Dogs that come onto his land usually don't make it off. He does live in a county in MS where dog deer hunting is completely illegal.

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