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Re: Long range hunting gun question
[Re: Atoler]
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03/02/14 04:10 PM
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B'ham
Goatkiller
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I'm with Shooters on this one. Gonna be difficult but not impossible.
I'd go 7mm Mag. Little less recoil than the .300 Win Mag.
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Re: Long range hunting gun question
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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03/02/14 04:24 PM
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I have never used one but according to my chart the .257 Weatherby Mag is the first round in the smaller end to truck the velocity and energy out to 600 that you will need. With the Wby. 115 Nosler Ballistic tip at 400yrd you should have 2547fps and 1656f# of energy and be -7.1 inches low with a 300 yrd zero (+3.0 & +3.5 at 100 & 200). Following are the .270 Win Short Mag and .270 Weatherby Mag but these are on par with the 7mm RemMag and you can find that on the shelf anywhere you go.
As for .223, the 55gr Nosler ballistic tip is moving 1920fps with 450f# energy at 400 and is -20.9 inches low with a 200yrd zero. So at 600 you are looking at having the equivalent of a .25acp with a bullet that either won't penetrate a shoulder bone or will hardly expand in the soft flesh behind. This sounds harsh but anyone who needs to ask what to shoot a deer with at 500 yards , has no business shooting at a deer at 500 yards. While I understand what your getting at, I'm not a complete newb to shooting long range. I've killed a handful of deer around the 400 yard range, and have shot quite a bit at the range out to 1000yds. While my current setup is capable of killing deer at 500+, it's not ideal. I've got both .308 and 270 in 700s with good optics and right at 2# trigger jobs. But..... They aren't ideal for long range situations. Specifically my 12x scope becomes an issue, with the amount of holdover and lack of magnification, not a big issue at the range on a stationary target with no time frame, but on a deer crossing a road bed it is. I'm simply looking to setup a gun specifically for those situations. My thoughts are that a bit flatter caliber with more appropriate scope and possibly heavier gun would allow me to adapt better for those in the field situations. And my questions are based upon the presumption that some of y'all may be experts on the long range topic, and have much more personal experience with different calibers.
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Re: Long range hunting gun question
[Re: Atoler]
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03/03/14 03:38 AM
03/03/14 03:38 AM
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Remington Sendero, older model for 900 used, and 6x24x50 vortex viper pst, should be in the 1500-1600 dollar range. You can always add better trigger later, and if you ever want a custom rifle the factory H S stock can be open up to fix a MTU or samller contur barrel! The vortex viper pst has exposed turrets, but also has moa marks similar to a nightforce NP-r1, its a good choose for your price range , i have 2 of these scopes , there not nightforces buy well worth the money!
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Re: Long range hunting gun question
[Re: Atoler]
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03/03/14 05:27 AM
03/03/14 05:27 AM
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NW Alabama
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I have never used one but according to my chart the .257 Weatherby Mag is the first round in the smaller end to truck the velocity and energy out to 600 that you will need. With the Wby. 115 Nosler Ballistic tip at 400yrd you should have 2547fps and 1656f# of energy and be -7.1 inches low with a 300 yrd zero (+3.0 & +3.5 at 100 & 200). Following are the .270 Win Short Mag and .270 Weatherby Mag but these are on par with the 7mm RemMag and you can find that on the shelf anywhere you go.
As for .223, the 55gr Nosler ballistic tip is moving 1920fps with 450f# energy at 400 and is -20.9 inches low with a 200yrd zero. So at 600 you are looking at having the equivalent of a .25acp with a bullet that either won't penetrate a shoulder bone or will hardly expand in the soft flesh behind. This sounds harsh but anyone who needs to ask what to shoot a deer with at 500 yards , has no business shooting at a deer at 500 yards. While I understand what your getting at, I'm not a complete newb to shooting long range. I've killed a handful of deer around the 400 yard range, and have shot quite a bit at the range out to 1000yds. While my current setup is capable of killing deer at 500+, it's not ideal. I've got both .308 and 270 in 700s with good optics and right at 2# trigger jobs. But..... They aren't ideal for long range situations. Specifically my 12x scope becomes an issue, with the amount of holdover and lack of magnification, not a big issue at the range on a stationary target with no time frame, but on a deer crossing a road bed it is. I'm simply looking to setup a gun specifically for those situations. My thoughts are that a bit flatter caliber with more appropriate scope and possibly heavier gun would allow me to adapt better for those in the field situations. And my questions are based upon the presumption that some of y'all may be experts on the long range topic, and have much more personal experience with different calibers. Please understand that my statement was quick and not meant to be a personal attack at all. It was only meant to dissuade a complete newby from wanting to buy his first set up and start shooting at deer way farther than he has any business doing. Believe it or not, it happens all the time on internet forums. Under the circumstances you list, I completely understand the question and apologize for the quick comment without taking time to learn anything else about your situation.
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Re: Long range hunting gun question
[Re: R_H_Clark]
#885298
03/03/14 02:04 PM
03/03/14 02:04 PM
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Atoler
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I have never used one but according to my chart the .257 Weatherby Mag is the first round in the smaller end to truck the velocity and energy out to 600 that you will need. With the Wby. 115 Nosler Ballistic tip at 400yrd you should have 2547fps and 1656f# of energy and be -7.1 inches low with a 300 yrd zero (+3.0 & +3.5 at 100 & 200). Following are the .270 Win Short Mag and .270 Weatherby Mag but these are on par with the 7mm RemMag and you can find that on the shelf anywhere you go.
As for .223, the 55gr Nosler ballistic tip is moving 1920fps with 450f# energy at 400 and is -20.9 inches low with a 200yrd zero. So at 600 you are looking at having the equivalent of a .25acp with a bullet that either won't penetrate a shoulder bone or will hardly expand in the soft flesh behind. This sounds harsh but anyone who needs to ask what to shoot a deer with at 500 yards , has no business shooting at a deer at 500 yards. While I understand what your getting at, I'm not a complete newb to shooting long range. I've killed a handful of deer around the 400 yard range, and have shot quite a bit at the range out to 1000yds. While my current setup is capable of killing deer at 500+, it's not ideal. I've got both .308 and 270 in 700s with good optics and right at 2# trigger jobs. But..... They aren't ideal for long range situations. Specifically my 12x scope becomes an issue, with the amount of holdover and lack of magnification, not a big issue at the range on a stationary target with no time frame, but on a deer crossing a road bed it is. I'm simply looking to setup a gun specifically for those situations. My thoughts are that a bit flatter caliber with more appropriate scope and possibly heavier gun would allow me to adapt better for those in the field situations. And my questions are based upon the presumption that some of y'all may be experts on the long range topic, and have much more personal experience with different calibers. Please understand that my statement was quick and not meant to be a personal attack at all. It was only meant to dissuade a complete newby from wanting to buy his first set up and start shooting at deer way farther than he has any business doing. Believe it or not, it happens all the time on internet forums. Under the circumstances you list, I completely understand the question and apologize for the quick comment without taking time to learn anything else about your situation. I completely understand what you were referring to, and didn't take offense. It takes a lot of practice to perform at those ranges, and while I've done enough shooting in years past to be proficient, I'm not at that level anymore. I do feel pretty confident that a few hundred rounds down range would put me back in a good position to take a 500 yard shot. Theres a lot of people that think they can zero their gun and read a ballistics chart and be set. I was lucky enough to spend a lot of time around a pretty good competition shooter growing up, and as a result have some decent fundamentals, but there's no way I would consider taking a shot at those ranges without a couple of months to practice.
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Re: Long range hunting gun question
[Re: Atoler]
#885753
03/03/14 06:11 PM
03/03/14 06:11 PM
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Gee's Bend/At The Hog Pen
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Take your money buy a Thompson center venture, and spend the rest on a quality scope. I'm a sako man myself but we've gotten insane accuracy out of the ones we've shot...
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Re: Long range hunting gun question
[Re: Mdees]
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03/04/14 07:46 AM
03/04/14 07:46 AM
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The scope i mentioned will not break his budget! THE vortex viper pst 6x24x50 30mm cost 700-750. Its better than a M4 leupold. I have friends to are Private Contrators and are using it over seas! Dont bother asking me witch group it is , cause i wont tell you!!!!! But they are reporting their are tough, sand proff, and 338 recoil proff!!! They like the turrets as well! I have 2 of the Vortex scopes they will be finr for killing deer! So 7mm mag, and a 6x24x50 pst , will be fine for what the OP needs and around 1500 dollars
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Re: Long range hunting gun question
[Re: fr8-shkr]
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03/04/14 12:19 PM
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Getting closer to the deer is unneccesary, or impossible at times for some of us! Some of use spend countless time expense and effort to be able to kill deer at ranges that most folks only dream about.The OP ask a question about what to use and or buy. I feel quailifed to answer because just this year i killed a 120 class buck from 702 yards. I have many dozen kills from 300-700 yards. I also have one my share of competetions for 1000 yard shooting. I shoot between 7 to 8 thound rds down range a year. WHY should i have to get closer? Im not saying ANYONE should shot at a deer at 500 yards, without putting in the time, money , and effort required. But if a man has put in the time to learn how there is NO REASON he cant kill deer at any range with the right gun!
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Re: Long range hunting gun question
[Re: Atoler]
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03/04/14 12:33 PM
03/04/14 12:33 PM
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B'ham
Goatkiller
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For each person what is ethical in taking a long distance shot is different and depends on experience level. A child could hit something at 1k yards if someone dialed it in correctly and they had a good rest and experience shooting. Then you've got some Bubba's out there that can't hit a deer at 50 with some old beat up gun that's been bouncing around in the back of their truck since last season and never re-checked zero.
Those are the opposite ends of the spectrum with the lower end existing quite a bit more frequently in our neck of the woods.
Last edited by Goatkiller; 03/04/14 12:38 PM.
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