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Re: Ageing a bird.
[Re: scb]
#903393
03/18/14 04:37 AM
03/18/14 04:37 AM
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Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 5,709 Lincoln, Alabama
blumsden
12 point
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Lincoln, Alabama
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Yea, this was a large bird, but i've killed some like what you said, small bodys, around 16lbs. Are ya'll seeing any jakes? Last year there were 16 jakes, all in one wad roaming my farm, and adjacent properties. We haven't seen any this year. We didn't see any poults, during the summer. I may need to go easy on the harvest numbers this year. I put a limit of 4 gobblers for last year, on the farm. May need to decrease that, if there are no jakes, to replace them.
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Re: Ageing a bird.
[Re: scb]
#903395
03/18/14 04:40 AM
03/18/14 04:40 AM
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Joined: May 2013
Posts: 4,583 Behind you
Avengedsevenfold
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Posts: 4,583
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If it has a swinging beard...it is old enough.
Carrying a gun isn't comfortable; but at times it is comforting
"Cause the cause for the pause you think you see is really concentration on the steel” NonPoint
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Re: Ageing a bird.
[Re: gobbler]
#903609
03/18/14 07:37 AM
03/18/14 07:37 AM
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Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,976 Opelika, AL
AU_trout_bum
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Opelika, AL
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Based on research (I know... some of y'all don't go for that "sciency" stuff) These measurements are typical of known age gobblers in spring: less than 1/2 inches is jake 1/2 - 1" blunt is 2 yr old 1 - 1.25" pointy is 3 yr old over 1.25" sharps s 4 yr old In a 50 bird study of know aged wild turkeys in Missouri, these were the average spur lengths jake - .25" 2 yr old - .87" 3 yr old - 1.01" 4 yr olds - 1.08" 5 and older - 1.25" Spur length and sharpness does have a lot to do with terrain and soils as well as subspecies. There is a lot of variance even in the same population and I have killed legitimate jakes with 3/4 " spurs and weighing nearly 18 lbs, adult gobblers with no spurs and a beard weighing 15 lbs, also no beard and spurs. I can handle one with spurs and no beard but a beard and no spurs is a definite foul on the play.  I agree with Yeks observation that head size and cap thickness seems to increase with age - body size most defiantly does NOT - the oldest birds I have killed were smaller. Beard length is more a function of leg length, beard thickness, and abrasiveness of the vegetation the gobbler feeds in. They get to about 10" in their 2nd year and wear off from there. Beard thickness has no function relative to age - it has x number of beard filaments when it is born and no more and no less as it gets older. My $.02 Really good info. What about the differences in spur color. I've seen spurs over an inch that were almost pink with a darker tip, and some that are entirely dark. Is that just another genetic deal, or maybe a melanin issue?
Author, Fly Fishing for Redeye Bass: An Adventure Across Southern Waters JacksonKayak Fishing Team --------------------------------------------------- "I do not hunt turkeys because I want to, I hunt them because I have to." - Tom Kelly
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Re: Ageing a bird.
[Re: AU_trout_bum]
#903744
03/18/14 09:15 AM
03/18/14 09:15 AM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,254 South Alabama
gobbler
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12 point
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South Alabama
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Ive always said beard and weight have zero to do with it. I have killed a few jakes that way 16lbs, but adult gobblers that I would say were 3-4 + years old that only weigh 14lbs. Those small gobblers are what I call "Indian birds" and some of you have called them "Mossy heads." I have always thought it was just a different genetic strain of wild turkey, and probably the original wild turkey. The amber tips are not significant in aging either, although the jakes do have them. I have killed many 2 year olds with out amber tips. Not sure what it is, I always thought where it was part of growing, or beard blight, which I have killed a few also. To me, typical jakes have a 2-5" beard that is "stiff" and sticks straight out, do not have full fans, have "nubs" for spurs, usually about 1/2" or less, their legs and feet are almost black, and their primary wing feathers are different. 2 year olds have a full fan, primary wing feathers are developed, have about 3/4" dull spurs, and a beard anywhere from 8-10"s, which the beard has nothing to do with it. 3 year old, spurs are about a 1+" long, with a little curve and failry sharp. 4 year old, 1-1/4" spurs with some good hook and sharp 5 year old the birds that are seldom killed with 1-1/2" spurs and hook like a game cock, and sharp as a tack.
This is what I go by on the norm, and nothing else will change my opinion on it. I do know in mountainous rocky terrain will be different than the swampy or sandy areas.  Blumsden, 1.25" is usually what I figure should be a 4 yr old but may be older. Regardless, it IS what I call a really good bird Really good info. What about the differences in spur color. I've seen spurs over an inch that were almost pink with a darker tip, and some that are entirely dark. Is that just another genetic deal, or maybe a melanin issue?
I've always wondered that myself and haven't heard or read anything believable. I've killed them from black to white to 2-toned, often on the same place!
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