To bill, "I am not young enough to know everything." I pick at my veteran brethren, because we always have and I would hope they know I mean no true disrespect.
To 49er, I was arguing with you because you are apparently intelligent and it is fun to argue with you.
30+ years ago I was standing on a sidewalk with a shipmate in Oceanside CA. We (my buddy and I)had been unaware of the curfew that had been imposed in Oceanside and the popo had applied their bracelets to us(the drunken sailors), liberally and with gusto. After a short exchange of words one popo told me told shut up or he would bust my a**. I told him that I was in handcuffs and he could not do that and he could kiss my a**. Apparently I was wrong and when I opened my eyes I had bleeding lips a loose tooth and a knot on the back of my head from contact wih a brick wall. Now this must have satisfied the requirement for judicial punishment in Oceanside CA because after an apology from my buddy and (not a peep from me) the popo took us to the city limits and released us. Over the years I have gleaned a lot of different thoughts and insight from that incident but one relation I point to here is that it is no defense that I did not know about the curfew. Another relation is that I could have suffered more than I did and I took my lumps and left. Another relation is that GWs in Alabama are a whole lot nicer than Oceanside popo. I would not presume to say that I have all the answers, this is just food for thought.
To Bucky, I would appeal for my hunting rights also.