The ones you don't get though just end up having that many more pups. You guys are just pounding sand if you think you are changing anything by shooting every coyote you see. Someone was comparing shooting every deer to shooting every coyote. That's apples to oranges. Deer have 1-2 offspring a year in most situations. Coyotes have 5-15 depending on how much food they get. Take out one yote and you just make the other ones more healthy and more prolific producers of young pups because there is more available food to them. The whole cycle is driven by the amount of food or prey available. We have little impact on the cycle by merely shooting what we see. Even the impact we see though trapping is only very short lived.

First of all, in alabama a coyote will not have 15 coyotes, no matter how good the prey. About 8 is the max. i have seen, and i have trapped 191 coyotes in a single year. I have trapped all over alabama. Shoot everyone you see, it cannot hurt anything. But to trully help your deer heard you MUST takeouy 80% plus , every year on coyote population! IF you quit after say year 3, the population can increase to the point of being more than when you started. I have trapped for lots of high end deer managers, cattle farmers, and biologists. The main thing people dont understand is the COST! If you want coyotes gone you must hire a professional trapper! Some jack leg, that thinks he can trap will not do you any good! You must also pay good money to get rid of them. Most great trapper charge 150-250 set-up fee and 50 a coyote, also mileage. So a flat fee of 100 dollars a coyote is about average. Now thats for a TRUE professional, no BillBob the want-abe-trapper. I quess my rant is everyone wants coyotes gone, but they dont want them gone bad enough to pay a REAL trapper 100 dollars a piece for them! Bottom line if you want coyotes gone get the best you can find to trap them, pay the money, and you can get them gone.

I'd agree with this. Hiring one to eliminate and/or severely curtail-control your coyotes and other predators is part of serious deer management and isn't a now-and-then thing.

I only wish i could get clients to understand that. Most say well old Billy-Bob caught 14 or 15 last years and he doesnt charge 100 dollars each! The thing i HATE most is coming to a place after some jack-leg has tried to catch coyotes on the cheap! It makes it harder for me to catch the educated coyotes. If someone doesnt truly no what they are doing they can make coyotes extremely hard to trap. THERE is a difference in a fur trapper and an ADC professional. Coyotes are not that hard to catch IF you know what you are doing

It doesn’t really surprise me that someone who traps coyotes for money believes that the best thing for everyone to do is to hire a professional and pay him $100 per coyote to trap an endless supply of them into perpetuity. Is that really our best long-term solution to predator management? How much prime fawning habitat could you build with all those $100 dollar bills?

It doesnt suprise me how someone like you would know nothing about true coyote management! You must do both to be effective. I know far more about coyote trapping than someone like you! I have been trapping 100 plus coyotes a year for over 20 years. Building fawn habitat is great, but without trapping it is not going to do much good. Trapping is the BEST long-term solution to managing predators! As most serious land managers know IF you want to hurt a coyote population YOU must hit them hard and take out 80% plus of the coyote population. This can be a costly . I also use PVS-14 nightvision, lazers, and Aquilla 6 nightvision scopes. My clients get what they pay for with me! The fact is YOU are only quoting what you read and have no real experience with ADC work. Their is no endless supply of coyotes, that you cannot stop from killing your fawns. You just have to find thr right guy that can trap and pay him or swap him some hunting rights, to kill coyotes.

So how long do you recommend that a land owner keep trapping coyotes?

How long do you plant food plots? Its an own going process. To win the war against coyotes you have to cripple the amount of coyotes. Most high - end hunting operations have ADC people on staff. IF you want results you have to be willing to have a full-time predator management plan in place. Think of predator management as partof the overall land management practice. Just like spring and fall foodplots, supplemental feeding, trophy rocks, habitat management they all go together. And buy the way i dont always charge 100 dollars a coyote. ADC people must figure in time ,mileage, and cost! If i have to drive 10 miles it maybe 75 dollars, if i have to drive 50 it will be 100 dollars each, anyone that THROWS out a price over the phone , without looking at the land owners property is NOT a true professional! Each job must be studied and price accordingly.

Coyote management

So you trap for somebody who owns 1000 acres in lowndes county but the surrounding properties do not. Please tell me again how you are going to eradicate the yotes ?

Your not. I usually deal with people with larger tracts of land , or an co-op of people that control large places. You can reduce the population on a thousand acres, but they will come back if you dont trap them. Its very hard to eradicate coyotes on small land tracks, but they can be controlled if you take 80% plus off the tract. Sure more will move in but then you just take them out to. No one ever said this could be done on the cheap!!!

10-4. If folks got the money and you've got the skill them more power to ya!

Part of you are missing the boat. Controlling predation is and will always be a multi pronged attack. You have to have good fawning habitat, trap consistently and hope for a period of predator swamping (AL doesn't have in a lot of places).

Trapping is a program just like food plots, feeding or anything else serious managers do. It is VERY time consuming and expensive to pay a "good" trapper. Much better to learn from a good one like I am

So are you saying that there's an endless supply of coyotes to trap or not?

The point is not to give up. Kill every coyote you can. Dont buy in to CNC veiws of doing nothing! Their are several GREAT trapper that you can pay to teach you to trap. Clint Locklear does a great job of teaching , personal 1 on 1 trapping. 3 or 4 days for 800 -900 dollars is not a bad deal IF you are a quick learner. Im 41 and i have been trapping coyotes since i was 16 years old. I read every book i can get my hands on about coyote. I also read everything i can find on coyote info. Point is you are NEVER to old to learn something new. If you have 1000 acres in Lowndes county , find a good trapper, get a permit to hunt with nightvision, if you have hogs trade some Nite time hog hunting for some coyote trapping? dont ever give -up and be like some that would pull there skirts up over their heads and run away from the problem. Talk to you neighbors and start killing and trapping those coyotes and never stop or give up the fight= that what PETA lovers of coyotes want you to do!

As a matter of fact, pretty much yes. In most places with coyotes once you remove a pack or the dominant dogs neighboring packs will move in. It is an ongoing cycle. It may take a bit but it will not take long.

Do you guys really believe that intense predator trapping is a feasible long term solution to controlling coyotes? How many landowners will spend the money? How many landowners will spend the time? How many landowners will continue to intensely trap for periods of 5-10 years? How much of an impact will it really have over the next decade or half century? Have we slowed them down yet? This is not a realistic solution that you should tell the general land owner as a means to deal with coyotes.

What you are advising land owners to do is to greatly reduce predator populations and hold prey populations at a much higher rate than the habitat is naturally supporting. Opening up social holes in the coyote population on a property and greatly increasing the prey species will insure that surrounding coyotes will just flock to fill these social holes in the land of milk and honey. With prey species amped up beyond normal conditions, it even opens the door for more coyotes to come back in than you originally had.

The best long term solution is to accept the predator and prey cycle and manage to keep things in balance by curtailing predator impacts rather than thinking you can eliminate them. The best long term solution to curtailing the impacts of predators is through establishing proper habitat and limiting doe harvest.

Shooters,

You have mentioned a few times about trying to remove 80% of the coyotes. I realize that different locations have different populations of coyotes. If you had 1000 acres along the Lowndes county and Wilcox county line, do you have any idea how many coyotes would be about 80%. I'm just trying to get a ballpark idea of how many coyotes would need to be removed annually.

I understand what CNC is saying but I agree with you that the removal of every coyote possible can't do anything but help. The amount that are removed will be directly related to how much you are helping the situation.

CNC you are the typical type of person that like to pull his skirt over his head and say" o theirs just nothing we can do, but except it"! Real men stand -up and fight! How many land owners will spend the time? Most true land managers can spend the time to trap coyotes. You must be a coyote loving PETA member! Social holes and accepting coyote predator pray cycles are for people like YOU that do not have a clue what they are talking about!!! You ONLY know what you have read and have no real experience in the real world of coyote trapping. I on the other hand have work with biologist, farmer, and land managers and know that you can take -out 80% plus of a coyote population and make a BIG difference in fawn predation.A relistic solution is to learn,add controll the problem. Dont do like CNC advises and pull a skirt up over you eyes! Find a trapper make him a friend, pay for some lessons, hire him , or just swap him some hunting rights. Point dont giving up! Listen to biooligist and trapper on here and get some help = advice and lets ALL do what we can to elimanate = controll the coyote problem.

I think people like me and you can agree to disagree and move on, but you wont get ahead or anywhere arguing with "Shooters". Just throwing that out there. Now this is my opinion no facts to back it..

Steiner, that a hard questin to answer. How is the deer population? Are their chicken house around? How about cattle farmers? Is it open country or woods? Lots of things come in to play. CNC has a point on the fawn habitat. But i HATE the idea of" just accept it and go on". 1000 acres of cattle country maybe 10-15 coyotes. 1000 acre of cutovers, hunt club land with feeders, and woods may very well hold more coyotes. Plus the pack size of the coyotes and the number of packs in the area. Short answer is no way to really tell with out Stepping foot on it! Just dont give up is my personal RANT!