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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Shuter II] #173511
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when folks don't have a legit defense they tend to throw out a lot of other stuff to confuse the issue at hand. Like African civil war, Japs, Germans, President Jackson, slavery, etc., etc, etc.

Sherman caused the deaths of innocent women and children. Whats the defense???


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: BhamFred] #173513
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I would like to think that our country and it's military was/is better than that. Maybe not.


It is. But that's not the point.

The point is you said you oppose those tactics. Those tactics still happen today.

Just because it happens between black people in an African nation, and nations, doesn't mean it's still not worth opposing. Unless, of course, just because "they" are doing it "over there" then it doesn't really matter.


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Shuter II] #173517
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There is no defense, he was a bad man. But he wasnt the only one of that time and some of his atrocities are also way overblown.


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Skinny] #173518
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Originally Posted By: Skinny
There is no defense, he was a bad man. But he wasnt the only one of that time and some of his atrocities are also way overblown.


we have the correct answer...... laugh


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Shuter II] #173519
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I once dated a young lady from Roswell ... she beautiful eyes and soft lips.

Glad her ancestry wasn't bludgeoned or sent to gadawful Indiana.


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: BhamFred] #173521
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
when folks don't have a legit defense they tend to throw out a lot of other stuff to confuse the issue at hand. Like African civil war, Japs, Germans, President Jackson, slavery, etc., etc, etc.

Sherman caused the deaths of innocent women and children. Whats the defense???


Because these are outlandish claims. The Roswell Women were sent to Indiana. Was it atrocious? Yes. But Sherman didn't salt the fields, or break legs or shoot children because they were snoring. He waged war. That is the defense. Complaining about Sherman is for those that buy into the hysteria and myth. Sheridan marched all down the Shenandoah Valley, The Confederates had the Partisan Ranger Act to promote Guerrilla warfare. Lee killed thousands with a senseless infantry charge. War is cruelty and you cannot refine it.

Sherman made their ass quit and then rode around with his fingers in the air.


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Skinny] #173523
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Originally Posted By: Skinny
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He still wouldnt have wasted salt or gone on a leg breaking spree.


Many still don't believe he kidnapped women & children and sent them North to starve either.





Where did he send them? North is a pretty big place.


Who actually knows since most, or nearly all, were never heard from again? Some say Louisville, Cincinnati, Chicago?

Re: Roswell Women [Re: Shuter II] #173524
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Sherman made their ass quit and then rode around with his fingers in the air.


Nick Saban coached Sherman?


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Shuter II] #173525
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Yep and Tubberville was his academic advisor at West Point.


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Shuter II] #173527
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Did Sherman hold up four or five fingers?

(Or just one, the middle one?)

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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Shuter II] #173536
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yer right Dustin. Lt Calley did the right thing too.


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Shuter II] #173540
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They had proof against Calley all we have is some wild accusations against Sherman.

If you can show proof that Sherman salted fields, shot babies for crying or broke every leg of every man for a march 60 miles wide by 300 miles long then I'll see your side.


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Shuter II] #173542
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like calling the accusations of death camps in WWII germany wild accusations????

You really don't mind if I borrow yer defense, do ya???


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Shuter II] #173545
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Nope, but again they managed to prove the concentration camps in germany existed. As of yet, no proof of again, salting fields, shooting babies, breaking legs.


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Shuter II] #173559
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"In his report of the march to the sea, Sherman declared that he had destroyed the railroads for more than 100 miles, and had consumed the corn and fodder in the region of country 30 miles on either side of a line from Atlanta to Savannah, as also the sweet potatoes, cattle, hogs, sheep and poultry, and carried away more than 10,000 horses and mules, as well as a countless number of slaves. "I estimate the damage done to the State of Georgia and its military resources at $100,000,000; at least $20,000,000 of which has inured to our advantage, and the remainder is simply waste and destruction." After admitting that "this may seem a hard species of warfare," he comforted himself with the reflection that "it brought the sad realities of war home to those who supported it." Thus condoning all the outrages committed by an unrestrained army, he further reported that his men were "a little loose in foraging, and did some things they ought not to have done."

The ultimate attempt at total genocide by the U.S. troops under Sherman would have to be the multiple cases of troops sowing salt into the soil of an area in which they were about to leave. Thus, leaving the entire area unfit to grow any crops in the near future. Sherman's march through the South will be remembered by generations still yet to come."

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I think both sides did many things that would get them stood against a wall these days and rightfully so. I can see a time when our military must kill women and kids(such as in bombing raids/cruise missiles) to save lives on our side if it is absolutely necessary, but if they are killed after being captured that is outright murder. During the civil war both sides were guilty right here in north Alabama of war crimes under almost any definition. If you can find a copy ,read the book: Torries of the Hills. It is my favorite book about the war and describes in gory detail some of the stuff that was done to civilians here.


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Shuter II] #173566
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Here.

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Burial:
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Saint Louis
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Missouri, USA
Plot: Section 17, family plot

Get on the damn plane tonight and do it so you can stfu about this.


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Aught Six] #173569
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Originally Posted By: Aught Six
Here.

William T. Sherman
Burial:
Calvary Cemetery and Mausoleum
Saint Louis
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Missouri, USA
Plot: Section 17, family plot

Get on the damn plane tonight and do it so you can stfu about this.


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Re: Roswell Women [Re: Shuter II] #173572
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The ultimate attempt at total genocide by the U.S. troops under Sherman would have to be the multiple cases of troops sowing salt into the soil of an area in which they were about to leave. Thus, leaving the entire area unfit to grow any crops in the near future.


Did Sherman admit this or is there other proof?

Or is this the author's supposition?


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It takes about 1 pound of salt per square foot to kill vegetation. So you are telling me that the union soldiers took 20 tons of salt to kill one acre. The force of 62,000 men carrying 20 pounds of salt each (62,000 x 20 = 1,240,000 pounds of salt) 1 acre = 43,560 square feet / 2000 = 21.78 tons.

This means they killed 28 acres. 60 miles wide x 300 miles long is 18,000 square miles or 11.5 million acres. So they killed 28 acres, and I'm being very generous here since even if they took the salt that was on hand in Georgia they may have killed another 5 maybe 10 acres.

Even if it takes 4 ounces per foot then they may have taken out 100 acres, out of 11.5 million.

The atrocities.


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