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Re: No M1 Abrams in Stock? What? [Re: redgineer] #3849418
01/30/23 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by redgineer
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by redgineer
Keep on thinking we can't loose, that's how we loose every time.

Anti ship missiles can take out our aircraft carriers, and the Navy knows it. They will be kept in the rear if we ever go to war with a country that has them.


I see you're from Madison , you in the military or defense , "bomb building" industry in some capacity ?

Yes, I'm a contractor in R&D. I do not talk on the forum about anything I work on, so don't take it as an expert opinion. I'm sure you don't lol


Expert , don't know, lookin' like a pretty fair Debbie Downer though.



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Re: No M1 Abrams in Stock? What? [Re: Irishguy] #3849503
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I should make it clear that I'm not saying we are technologically inferior to anyone. We are the best, but we overstate our capabilities, just like everyone else.

Shooting a small, fast moving target out of the air is much harder than hitting a large stationary target. The attacker only has to get it right once, while the defender has to get it right every time.

Re: No M1 Abrams in Stock? What? [Re: Irishguy] #3850593
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...ll-differ-from-americas/?sh=8cbaf6926b34

The DU armor has to be replaced on export models and replaced with Tungsten


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Re: No M1 Abrams in Stock? What? [Re: goodman_hunter] #3850619
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Originally Posted by goodman_hunter
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...ll-differ-from-americas/?sh=8cbaf6926b34

The DU armor has to be replaced on export models and replaced with Tungsten

Have you or any of your family ever served in or around tank battalions since the 1980s? If so, you are entitled to compensation.


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Re: No M1 Abrams in Stock? What? [Re: Irishguy] #3850651
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Tanks are target practice for missiles.


It be's that way sometimes.

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Re: No M1 Abrams in Stock? What? [Re: jaredhunts] #3850679
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Originally Posted by jaredhunts
Tanks are target practice for missiles.



True, but missiles can't hold ground. If you want to advance your frontlines, you need combined arms warfare. Tanks and IFV are an important part of that.


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Re: No M1 Abrams in Stock? What? [Re: goodman_hunter] #3850696
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Originally Posted by goodman_hunter
Originally Posted by jaredhunts
Tanks are target practice for missiles.



True, but missiles can't hold ground. If you want to advance your frontlines, you need combined arms warfare. Tanks and IFV are an important part of that.


Yes, infantry and armor will always be needed to occupy enemy ground. Tanks are done. Melt them down and make helicopters, planes, carriers or even welfare cards. Until space force is capable of defeating an enemy Air Force, air power will always be the deciding factor in a major war. Of course you’ll have to knock out your enemies air defense first. Ukraine may be the last major ground war the planet will ever see between two “modern” military’s.


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Re: No M1 Abrams in Stock? What? [Re: jaredhunts] #3850816
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Originally Posted by jaredhunts
Originally Posted by goodman_hunter
Originally Posted by jaredhunts
Tanks are target practice for missiles.



True, but missiles can't hold ground. If you want to advance your frontlines, you need combined arms warfare. Tanks and IFV are an important part of that.


Yes, infantry and armor will always be needed to occupy enemy ground. Tanks are done. Melt them down and make helicopters, planes, carriers or even welfare cards. Until space force is capable of defeating an enemy Air Force, air power will always be the deciding factor in a major war. Of course you’ll have to knock out your enemies air defense first. Ukraine may be the last major ground war the planet will ever see between two “modern” military’s.

I think tanks do have a place in the battlefield in a more limited role than past engagements. We have other vehicles to fill some of the gaps, that requires less logistics and support. But to do away with tanks completely? I'm not there yet, but I'm persuadable. Tell me why we don't need tanks.


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