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Re: Fun with Numbers: The Final Tally
[Re: Clem]
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02/13/24 05:39 PM
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marshmud991
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Correct ... I forgot about the Court Costs, which adds more to a fine.
But the fines still are too low for almost all of those.
We don't need GWs acting like a Parris Island DI or penalties like William Wallace on the table in Braveheart. But if you're going to fine someone for not having The Man's Privilege Permit for corn, or no license, or not checking a deer or turkey, then make those bite the wallet a little.
I agree with everything you said!!
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: Fun with Numbers: The Final Tally
[Re: CNC]
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02/13/24 10:43 PM
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Just while everyone is on this subject of an extra “X” percent due to illegal kills……There’s also an extra “X” percent that comes from folks legally gut shooting them……shooting their legs off…….back whacking them…….shooting them in the arse…….in the head……in the neck…….in the brisket……etc…etc…..and etc……. and never recovering them……
And that extra “X” percent is why you should leave trackers alone and just let them clean up what they can…..Deer salvaged by trackers cost the state a whole lot less $$$ than ones salvaged by game wardens catching poachers. It’s all accounting in the end….debits and credits…. If the powers that be would implement tags then everyone that a tracker salvages would be another tag wrapped around an antler instead just another wasted one fed to a coyote……poached or leg shot and fed to a coyote…..both equal minus one…..and that happens a LOT……How many guys game check 2-3 bucks but have to shoot 4-5 to get them?? Trust me, there’s a lot of lead being slung at ‘em.
At least just don’t do anything stupid to tie trackers hands behind their backs…..That’s the least of the problems in front of us.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Fun with Numbers: The Final Tally
[Re: CNC]
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02/13/24 10:58 PM
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If no hunters, what percentage of deer would die every year. I.e every deer will die eventually, so what percentage without hunters? Natural causes, cars, trucks, meteorites, etc.???
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Re: Fun with Numbers: The Final Tally
[Re: CNC]
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02/13/24 11:14 PM
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^^^
Do u think many bucks die from fighting with each other ??
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self
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Re: Fun with Numbers: The Final Tally
[Re: CNC]
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02/13/24 11:54 PM
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If a county is consistently killing say 2100 does year after year then you can safely assume that the deer herd is healthy enough to sustain that type of harvest…..if not the numbers would go down…… You would assume that if the numbers did go down, that the herd could not sustain it. Which may or may not be correct. You also don’t know if the herd can sustain double that, because you don’t know what the herd is. So once again, All this is pointless besides people pushing their agendas. Not enough facts from these numbers to apply any changes to any mentality or laws.
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Re: Fun with Numbers: The Final Tally
[Re: CNC]
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Just while everyone is on this subject of an extra “X” percent due to illegal kills……There’s also an extra “X” percent that comes from folks legally gut shooting them……shooting their legs off…….back whacking them…….shooting them in the arse…….in the head……in the neck…….in the brisket……etc…etc…..and etc……. and never recovering them……
And that extra “X” percent is why you should leave trackers alone and just let them clean up what they can…..Deer salvaged by trackers cost the state a whole lot less $$$ than ones salvaged by game wardens catching poachers. It’s all accounting in the end….debits and credits…. If the powers that be would implement tags then everyone that a tracker salvages would be another tag wrapped around an antler instead just another wasted one fed to a coyote……poached or leg shot and fed to a coyote…..both equal minus one…..and that happens a LOT……How many guys game check 2-3 bucks but have to shoot 4-5 to get them?? Trust me, there’s a lot of lead being slung at ‘em.
At least just don’t do anything stupid to tie trackers hands behind their backs…..That’s the least of the problems in front of us.
Don’t do anything stupid to tie trackers hands behind their backs? But you want to change all the laws and rules on what,when and how people can hunt and kill deer all across the state? Horse shucks!!! I think trackers should have to be certified and pay a few thousand dollars for a tracking privilege permit if they are to change a fee to track a deer. All you guys wanting the state to make all these changes need to watch what y’all are asking for. Most hunters can make sound decisions on what needs to happen on their properties they hunt and don’t need someone from the opposite end of the state telling the state these hunters need to change the way they hunt. Louisiana is one of the most screwed up states there is but when it comes to hunting, they listen to hunters in each area and allows hunters to decide what needs to change to needs to be left alone. Just because you think your neighbors killed more deer then you in the north end of the state doesn’t mean the guys in the southern end needs a lower limit and shorter season. We have more deer now then we’ve ever had on our place, especially older age class does. So this season we took out a few more then we normally would. We also saw a crazy amount of younger bucks on our place and had 6 mature bucks killed. The great news is we didn’t even begin to hurt the population on our place. Alabama needs to be broke up into zones and adjust the rules and regulations according to that particular zone, not according to what someone up north thinks the whole state needs.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: Fun with Numbers: The Final Tally
[Re: marshmud991]
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02/14/24 01:32 AM
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Just while everyone is on this subject of an extra “X” percent due to illegal kills……There’s also an extra “X” percent that comes from folks legally gut shooting them……shooting their legs off…….back whacking them…….shooting them in the arse…….in the head……in the neck…….in the brisket……etc…etc…..and etc……. and never recovering them……
And that extra “X” percent is why you should leave trackers alone and just let them clean up what they can…..Deer salvaged by trackers cost the state a whole lot less $$$ than ones salvaged by game wardens catching poachers. It’s all accounting in the end….debits and credits…. If the powers that be would implement tags then everyone that a tracker salvages would be another tag wrapped around an antler instead just another wasted one fed to a coyote……poached or leg shot and fed to a coyote…..both equal minus one…..and that happens a LOT……How many guys game check 2-3 bucks but have to shoot 4-5 to get them?? Trust me, there’s a lot of lead being slung at ‘em.
At least just don’t do anything stupid to tie trackers hands behind their backs…..That’s the least of the problems in front of us.
Don’t do anything stupid to tie trackers hands behind their backs? But you want to change all the laws and rules on what,when and how people can hunt and kill deer all across the state? Horse shucks!!! I think trackers should have to be certified and pay a few thousand dollars for a tracking privilege permit if they are to change a fee to track a deer. All you guys wanting the state to make all these changes need to watch what y’all are asking for. Most hunters can make sound decisions on what needs to happen on their properties they hunt and don’t need someone from the opposite end of the state telling the state these hunters need to change the way they hunt. Louisiana is one of the most screwed up states there is but when it comes to hunting, they listen to hunters in each area and allows hunters to decide what needs to change to needs to be left alone. Just because you think your neighbors killed more deer then you in the north end of the state doesn’t mean the guys in the southern end needs a lower limit and shorter season. We have more deer now then we’ve ever had on our place, especially older age class does. So this season we took out a few more then we normally would. We also saw a crazy amount of younger bucks on our place and had 6 mature bucks killed. The great news is we didn’t even begin to hurt the population on our place. Alabama needs to be broke up into zones and adjust the rules and regulations according to that particular zone, not according to what someone up north thinks the whole state needs. I think we need to take it a step further and figure out where the need for change comes from. People realize you can’t keep or maintain wildlife on 40 acres. You can’t keep and maintain wildlife on 600 acres. Your idea of what’s best and what your neighbors idea is best probably won’t align. Hence, folks want x,y,z a law to keep neighbor on a system that aligns with their ideology. It will never be perfect, and no law or regulation will fix it. Not everyone cares about huge racks and maturity levels. For some that’s all they care about. I personally have an interest in the resource as a whole, and do not feel that game check provides adequate intel on the actual harvest and herd guesstimates of the resource. I also don’t know that tags are the answer, as we don’t have enough game and fish officers across the state for enforcement.
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Re: Fun with Numbers: The Final Tally
[Re: marshmud991]
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02/14/24 07:15 AM
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Right behind you
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Just while everyone is on this subject of an extra “X” percent due to illegal kills……There’s also an extra “X” percent that comes from folks legally gut shooting them……shooting their legs off…….back whacking them…….shooting them in the arse…….in the head……in the neck…….in the brisket……etc…etc…..and etc……. and never recovering them……
And that extra “X” percent is why you should leave trackers alone and just let them clean up what they can…..Deer salvaged by trackers cost the state a whole lot less $$$ than ones salvaged by game wardens catching poachers. It’s all accounting in the end….debits and credits…. If the powers that be would implement tags then everyone that a tracker salvages would be another tag wrapped around an antler instead just another wasted one fed to a coyote……poached or leg shot and fed to a coyote…..both equal minus one…..and that happens a LOT……How many guys game check 2-3 bucks but have to shoot 4-5 to get them?? Trust me, there’s a lot of lead being slung at ‘em.
At least just don’t do anything stupid to tie trackers hands behind their backs…..That’s the least of the problems in front of us.
Don’t do anything stupid to tie trackers hands behind their backs? But you want to change all the laws and rules on what,when and how people can hunt and kill deer all across the state? Horse shucks!!! I think trackers should have to be certified and pay a few thousand dollars for a tracking privilege permit if they are to change a fee to track a deer. All you guys wanting the state to make all these changes need to watch what y’all are asking for. Most hunters can make sound decisions on what needs to happen on their properties they hunt and don’t need someone from the opposite end of the state telling the state these hunters need to change the way they hunt. Louisiana is one of the most screwed up states there is but when it comes to hunting, they listen to hunters in each area and allows hunters to decide what needs to change to needs to be left alone. Just because you think your neighbors killed more deer then you in the north end of the state doesn’t mean the guys in the southern end needs a lower limit and shorter season. We have more deer now then we’ve ever had on our place, especially older age class does. So this season we took out a few more then we normally would. We also saw a crazy amount of younger bucks on our place and had 6 mature bucks killed. The great news is we didn’t even begin to hurt the population on our place. Alabama needs to be broke up into zones and adjust the rules and regulations according to that particular zone, not according to what someone up north thinks the whole state needs. I certainly haven’t advocated for changing anything in south AL. I haven’t seen anyone or know of anyone in north AL trying to mess with south AL seasons. I’m referring to north AL, and the current season structure is absolute insanity.
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Re: Fun with Numbers: The Final Tally
[Re: Mbrock]
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02/14/24 09:04 AM
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Just while everyone is on this subject of an extra “X” percent due to illegal kills……There’s also an extra “X” percent that comes from folks legally gut shooting them……shooting their legs off…….back whacking them…….shooting them in the arse…….in the head……in the neck…….in the brisket……etc…etc…..and etc……. and never recovering them……
And that extra “X” percent is why you should leave trackers alone and just let them clean up what they can…..Deer salvaged by trackers cost the state a whole lot less $$$ than ones salvaged by game wardens catching poachers. It’s all accounting in the end….debits and credits…. If the powers that be would implement tags then everyone that a tracker salvages would be another tag wrapped around an antler instead just another wasted one fed to a coyote……poached or leg shot and fed to a coyote…..both equal minus one…..and that happens a LOT……How many guys game check 2-3 bucks but have to shoot 4-5 to get them?? Trust me, there’s a lot of lead being slung at ‘em.
At least just don’t do anything stupid to tie trackers hands behind their backs…..That’s the least of the problems in front of us.
Don’t do anything stupid to tie trackers hands behind their backs? But you want to change all the laws and rules on what,when and how people can hunt and kill deer all across the state? Horse shucks!!! I think trackers should have to be certified and pay a few thousand dollars for a tracking privilege permit if they are to change a fee to track a deer. All you guys wanting the state to make all these changes need to watch what y’all are asking for. Most hunters can make sound decisions on what needs to happen on their properties they hunt and don’t need someone from the opposite end of the state telling the state these hunters need to change the way they hunt. Louisiana is one of the most screwed up states there is but when it comes to hunting, they listen to hunters in each area and allows hunters to decide what needs to change to needs to be left alone. Just because you think your neighbors killed more deer then you in the north end of the state doesn’t mean the guys in the southern end needs a lower limit and shorter season. We have more deer now then we’ve ever had on our place, especially older age class does. So this season we took out a few more then we normally would. We also saw a crazy amount of younger bucks on our place and had 6 mature bucks killed. The great news is we didn’t even begin to hurt the population on our place. Alabama needs to be broke up into zones and adjust the rules and regulations according to that particular zone, not according to what someone up north thinks the whole state needs. I certainly haven’t advocated for changing anything in south AL. I haven’t seen anyone or know of anyone in north AL trying to mess with south AL seasons. I’m referring to north AL, and the current season structure is absolute insanity. So you haven’t seen anyone wanting to change the season dates, lower the number of bucks killed, shorten the season, do away with food plots and baiting? Maybe not in this thread but there is definitely people calling for it! Good grief man, you need to open your eyes. Same thing happened with the turkey season. Because some area of the state had turkeys gobbling later in the spring, the season get cut back to an April opening now. I may not live in Alabama but we put in a ton of money and sweat to make our place what is is and we LOVE it. When it comes to our place and our hunting, I’m very selfish with the time I get to spend there hunting and I don’t want no one taking any of that time away from me. Especially someone who has no clue what’s happening on our place. I think the world of most people on this sight and respect the heck out of the knowledge y’all have and share, but we will have to agree to disagree. However I would be in favor of a common sense limit on does even though we already have a 2 doe limit on our place and most of our neighbors don’t shoot any at all.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: Fun with Numbers: The Final Tally
[Re: Mbrock]
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Marsh, you need to look at the DCNR for all your complaining. I fought for common sense regulations, deer zones, and no changes to south AL turkey seasons. I no longer work for them because of the incompetency. I know that Matt!! I’m not pointing at anyone in particular. I know what you want for the area you hunt and I agree with you if that’s what your area needs. But all these people who have no idea about our area that are wanting changes to suit their way of hunting, need to do the same for their area. Fight for what they want in their area and leave ours alone. That’s all I’m saying. I can also agree on the baiting. Sure it helps with seeing more deer but it’s not really my style of hunting, but if someone wants to hunt over bait, they have that choice. Like I said, I love my time in the deer woods and my time in the woods is already short and I don’t want to lose anymore time.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: Fun with Numbers: The Final Tally
[Re: Mbrock]
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02/14/24 10:23 AM
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Marsh, you need to look at the DCNR for all your complaining. I fought for common sense regulations, deer zones, and no changes to south AL turkey seasons. I no longer work for them because of the incompetency. He just likes to stir chit........I wouldnt pay it too much attention.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Fun with Numbers: The Final Tally
[Re: CrappieMan]
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02/14/24 11:00 AM
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Tags may not be the answer but they are the better option. . Yep.....plenty of folks shooting over the limit.....shooting two bucks in one day, etc
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Fun with Numbers: The Final Tally
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02/14/24 11:12 AM
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Tags may not be the answer but they are the better option. . Yep.....plenty of folks shooting over the limit.....shooting two bucks in one day, etc Skew the three buck limit and therefore any need for tags. I hunt on 4 different properties in three different counties. I cannot legally kill one buck from each property I hunt. A buck I kill in one county in no way affects property 40 miles away.
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Re: Fun with Numbers: The Final Tally
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Just while everyone is on this subject of an extra “X” percent due to illegal kills……There’s also an extra “X” percent that comes from folks legally gut shooting them……shooting their legs off…….back whacking them…….shooting them in the arse…….in the head……in the neck…….in the brisket……etc…etc…..and etc……. and never recovering them……
And that extra “X” percent is why you should leave trackers alone and just let them clean up what they can…..Deer salvaged by trackers cost the state a whole lot less $$$ than ones salvaged by game wardens catching poachers. It’s all accounting in the end….debits and credits…. If the powers that be would implement tags then everyone that a tracker salvages would be another tag wrapped around an antler instead just another wasted one fed to a coyote……poached or leg shot and fed to a coyote…..both equal minus one…..and that happens a LOT……How many guys game check 2-3 bucks but have to shoot 4-5 to get them?? Trust me, there’s a lot of lead being slung at ‘em.
At least just don’t do anything stupid to tie trackers hands behind their backs…..That’s the least of the problems in front of us.
Wow that's some self righteous justification there. Those salvaged by trackers are still dead deer and most would die anyway, whether found or not. Game wardens catching poachers saves hundreds of future deer that are......alive. Those are the important ones, the ones that remain alive at the end of the season and in future seasons. As far as extra kills not counted, how many are killed each year on the highways. I've probably seen close to 50 dead on the roadside, since the season opened, just on my way back and forth to the camp.
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