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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: Lockjaw]
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04/09/24 01:06 PM
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I’m looking forward to seeing your success with this
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: chevydude2015]
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04/10/24 07:50 AM
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Anyone know what chemical you can spray alfalfa with to kill native clover? Friend of mine has had issues with it choking out his alfalfa in the fall/early spring Don't think that's going to be possible unless you have RR Alfalfa.
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: BradB]
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04/10/24 10:23 AM
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So where was your ph when u planted. I want to try this next year which is how long it will take to get mine right. I didn't test it. I did testing about 4 years ago and limed (ag lime) based off that back then, but I added extra pellet lime to this plot the following year, about 1800 pounds worth. I may test it if I think its not doing well. It says this one likes a ph of 6.5. I can adjust it in a hurry with Procal if I have to. Plot is about half an acre, and I need 2 tons per acre according to soil tests. I expect to have some set backs with it. For starters, I think I am about 4 weeks later planting it than would be ideal for a spring plant. I haven't had the best success with clover planting it in the spring, I get better production if I plant it in the fall, so I will add some seed this fall when I plant too. I am more concerned about getting adequate rainfall and getting the stuff up high enough to shield the soil before soil temps reach 85 degrees. I will probably do a heavy application of fertilizer this weekend to boost it. Most of my really productive clover plots required a second seed application, and I really just add more seed each fall. That seems to be the best method for me to keep one really lush. I am going to see what happens going into fall. My hope is alot of it survives and then I can supplement it in the fall planting with another 10 pounds, and have a really good spring next year. I will probably not plant cereals on it in the fall either, just brassicas and annual clover. I'll take some pictures this weekend if the weather is good and post them so you can see what its doing.
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: k bush]
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04/10/24 02:20 PM
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Anyone know what chemical you can spray alfalfa with to kill native clover? Friend of mine has had issues with it choking out his alfalfa in the fall/early spring Don't think that's going to be possible unless you have RR Alfalfa. That's what I figured but didn't know if some sort of alfalfa specific herbicide existed.
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: Lockjaw]
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04/11/24 06:53 AM
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I would suggest reading up on over seeding alfalfa with more alfalfa seed. I think I recall reading that none of the secondary seed will sprout due to the established plants producng soem type of toxin to prevent it.
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: 270wsm]
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04/15/24 02:40 PM
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Following. I have two 1 acre plots that I was going to plant in alfalfa last fall but was told not to waste time planting plots less than 3-4 acres in size with high deer density. I'm working on getting a 3 and 4 acre plot ready for fall. I have only had that issue with soybeans. If I plant something with them, like clay peas, sunn hemp or buckwheat, then I can get a much better result.
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: Lockjaw]
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04/15/24 08:05 PM
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Following. I have two 1 acre plots that I was going to plant in alfalfa last fall but was told not to waste time planting plots less than 3-4 acres in size with high deer density. I'm working on getting a 3 and 4 acre plot ready for fall. I have only had that issue with soybeans. If I plant something with them, like clay peas, sunn hemp or buckwheat, then I can get a much better result. You don’t have many deer though. I have a little over an acre in 3 plots at the house and my deer decimate anything I plant in the summer now. But I saw as many as 17 deer in one plot this year.
Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: Lockjaw]
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04/17/24 12:05 PM
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I don't have that many in a field, but I am seeing the numbers go up.
I switched to clover on my high traffic fields. The problem I have right now is the hot dry summers are really tough on it. Hoping the alfalfa does a little better. Sunn hemp works well too. Do you keep the fields cut in the summer ?
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: Lockjaw]
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04/17/24 02:24 PM
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I used to mow the clover, but that depends on moisture. I would try to time with rain in the forcast. Last 2 summers I mowed 1 time, and that was to knock down the cereal grains. I wouldn't mow clover much past mid to late June, because you need it to be thick enough and tall enough to shade the soil. Otherwise you need weekly rainfall to keep it healthy. On a few spots I never cut the cereal grains at all. Just left them til fall. Thinking that would shade the soil some. Not sure it was very effective, I would have probably done better to disk it up and plant peas.
I have heard of people talk about mowing sunn hemp, but I never have. The deer do a really good job of mowing it. I don't know how the alfalfa will do. I am not sure I will cut it or not yet. I need to order some clethodim and spray the field its in.
The biggest issue about planting anything is keeping the soil shaded. Once the soil temp gets above 85 degrees, it doesn't hold moisture unless something is over it. That can be organic material, or it could be some sort of crop. It is the only way to be successful in the summer here, unless we get a good rain every week. The weeks I get pop up showers nearly every day, clover grows fast. But cut it and those dry up, and it doesn't do so well.
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: Lockjaw]
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04/22/24 08:24 AM
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Now I see why you broke your disc. I'm sure there's bigger rocks under the surface.
To GOD be All the glory!!!
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: DGAMBLER]
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04/22/24 08:50 AM
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Now I see why you broke your disc. I'm sure there's bigger rocks under the surface.
Georgia Football..Acts like Bama but has a trophy case like South Carolina.
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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04/23/24 10:44 AM
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Some pitiful looking soil. What killed the turkey? Ben2
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: Lockjaw]
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04/29/24 01:17 PM
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I would like the RR variety better also, easier to kill unwanted plants, but my wallet doesn't like the idea of 550-600 for a bag.
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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05/01/24 08:45 AM
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I’d get an exclusion cage on that field if I were you. Especially since your trying it out. Any deer traffic on it yet? I haven't gotten any on camera yet. That field is funny. I planted soybeans on it one spring, and the deer left them alone for a bit, and then it was like they discovered them one day, and the next day, no more soybeans. I have to go mow, plant and start spraying, hopefully the weather holds this weekend and I can do that. I have a few fields I want to plant in peas and sunn hemp. Alot of mine have good stands of clover, so mowing will help get that going.
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: blumsden]
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05/01/24 08:48 AM
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I wonder if alfalfa would work in a throw and mow planting? Its pretty expensive to take a chance on if you ask me. I will say I have done a lot of throw and mow, and it works, but, depending on the type of forage, I get better results if I disk and plant, like with soybeans. After last fall, I hate to even try to throw and mow winter wheat. Turkeys wear it out. The don't seem to be able to do that as much with cereal rye.
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Re: Took the Alfalfa plunge
[Re: blumsden]
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05/01/24 12:48 PM
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I think it would work, because the seed is small. Thinking of trying a small 1/4 plot as an experiment. I bet it would do fine in fields where someone has already been building topsoil for a number of years
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