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Re: Decline of the Wild Turkey
[Re: YellaLineHunter]
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05/02/24 06:42 AM
05/02/24 06:42 AM
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turkey247
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Saw a guy yesterday, was talking talking about his turkey season so far and how it was tough and been so manny times ands seen a few birds. Didn’t buy it by his story. Looked in his truck bed walking to mine and there were decoys and two bags corn chops. That told me all I needs to know. Damn gives the honest folks a bad reputation Was there a dead hen in the back of his truck? Had he been scavenging nests and eating the eggs? Is he planning on walking around and jump shooting poults like quail?
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Re: Decline of the Wild Turkey
[Re: Turkey Petter]
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05/02/24 08:27 AM
05/02/24 08:27 AM
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Posts: 11,397 Kennedy, al
globe
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Nobody coon hunts anymore, I say predators of all kinds. Trapping predators imo will help more than anything.
Everything woke turns to shucks
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Re: Decline of the Wild Turkey
[Re: Turkey Petter]
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05/02/24 08:48 AM
05/02/24 08:48 AM
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Posts: 5,217 South Alabama
gobbler
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"By 2014, the country had lost approximately one million wild turkeys or 15% of the population. By 2019, the number had dropped another 3%. "
I wish they could cite a source for this info. Ive never seen it. Who census birds?
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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Re: Decline of the Wild Turkey
[Re: gobbler]
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05/02/24 09:16 AM
05/02/24 09:16 AM
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Posts: 20,193 Northport, AL
GomerPyle
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"By 2014, the country had lost approximately one million wild turkeys or 15% of the population. By 2019, the number had dropped another 3%. "
I wish they could cite a source for this info. Ive never seen it. Who census birds? studies have shown that 93% of statistics are made up on the spot...
There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars 2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement 3. Taxation Is Theft
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Re: Decline of the Wild Turkey
[Re: BC_Reb]
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05/04/24 10:50 AM
05/04/24 10:50 AM
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Posts: 271 Northwest Alabama
SEWoodsWhitetail
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I think the state should do a study where they send the biology students out into our hay fields before we start cutting hay to mark nests. I think that would save a good bit If your hens are nesting in hay fields the root of the problem is not being addressed... habitat.
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Re: Decline of the Wild Turkey
[Re: SEWoodsWhitetail]
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05/04/24 01:15 PM
05/04/24 01:15 PM
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gobbler
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I think the state should do a study where they send the biology students out into our hay fields before we start cutting hay to mark nests. I think that would save a good bit If your hens are nesting in hay fields the root of the problem is not being addressed... habitat. Not sure why anyone would think it is ok for the State to spend my tax dollars clearing a field of turkey nests so a farmer could mow it anywayl
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Re: Decline of the Wild Turkey
[Re: GomerPyle]
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05/11/24 08:11 AM
05/11/24 08:11 AM
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cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
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"By 2014, the country had lost approximately one million wild turkeys or 15% of the population. By 2019, the number had dropped another 3%. "
I wish they could cite a source for this info. Ive never seen it. Who census birds? studies have shown that 93% of statistics are made up on the spot... So all the south eastern states are colluding to limit turkey hunter rights? My guess would be they’re concerned with decking populations effecting future license sales No one has or will address why Colbert, Lauderdale and other seasons were closed for some time. Lauderdale was closed for 25 years and Colbert was closed for 10 is what I’ve been told. I can’t find any docs saying what the times frames were but I was there when Lauderdale opened back up for 5 days. They slowly opened back up for several years and advanced the area countywide. Those were some stupid birds for a few years. This was Waterloo 2nd day of opening mid 90s. First day was a wash out Funny story my friend killed his first one and I as pumped. Spent $800 that afternoon at Russell’s Sporting Goods. That’d be like several thousand now. He has a great piece of pretty loaded with turkeys. His population has barely fluctuated yet where I hunted as crashed. 🤷♂️
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Re: Decline of the Wild Turkey
[Re: Turkey Petter]
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05/11/24 10:45 AM
05/11/24 10:45 AM
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Posts: 21,901 Awbarn, AL
CNC
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
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My guess.........
Back in the BC era…..before coyote……Turkey population growth rates were most likely higher across the board…..Your good land was likely spilling out a lot more turkeys onto the landscape without coyote's impact…..This kind of growth would have folks seeing turkeys who might not have the same habitat as the good land but were benefiting from their exponential growth……
Now add coyotes into the mix and the PC era….post coyote…..isnt producing that same growth rates……So the areas that used to benefit from the overspill of the good land don’t have it any more and more pressure is being applied to their lesser habitat.
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We dont rent pigs
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Re: Decline of the Wild Turkey
[Re: Turkey Petter]
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05/11/24 12:18 PM
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CrappieMan
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Unless you were around in the 70s and 80s you really don't know what large turkey numbers are. What was happening back then? Trapping for money and alot of coon hunting. Oh and turkeys nested in hayfields back then also. Oh and thousands of less turkey hunters also.
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Re: Decline of the Wild Turkey
[Re: CNC]
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05/11/24 02:27 PM
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Posts: 26,458 Helena
3toe
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My guess.........
Back in the BC era…..before coyote……Turkey population growth rates were most likely higher across the board…..Your good land was likely spilling out a lot more turkeys onto the landscape without coyote's impact…..This kind of growth would have folks seeing turkeys who might not have the same habitat as the good land but were benefiting from their exponential growth……
Now add coyotes into the mix and the PC era….post coyote…..isnt producing that same growth rates……So the areas that used to benefit from the overspill of the good land don’t have it any more and more pressure is being applied to their lesser habitat.
So when did coyotes get here? Kind of thought they were already here with the T-Rex and Bham Fred.
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Re: Decline of the Wild Turkey
[Re: Turkey Petter]
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05/11/24 03:11 PM
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Posts: 21,901 Awbarn, AL
CNC
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
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I think the 80’s and 90’s was the main expansion period where they filled in the landscape…..Might have run into the early 2000’s.......Something like that.....They may have even grown some since then as they've gotten better at utilizing the landscape and resources
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We dont rent pigs
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Re: Decline of the Wild Turkey
[Re: CNC]
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05/11/24 03:19 PM
05/11/24 03:19 PM
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CrappieMan
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I think the 80’s and 90’s was the main expansion period where they filled in the landscape…..Might have run into the early 2000’s.......Something like that.....They may have even grown some since then as they've gotten better at utilizing the landscape and resources Early 80's is what I remember. We had several fox pens in this area that had some and that's what it got blamed on.
Last edited by CrappieMan; 05/11/24 03:19 PM.
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Re: Decline of the Wild Turkey
[Re: CrappieMan]
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05/11/24 06:21 PM
05/11/24 06:21 PM
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Posts: 12,148 Sylacauga, AL
poorcountrypreacher
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Unless you were around in the 70s and 80s you really don't know what large turkey numbers are. What was happening back then? Trapping for money and alot of coon hunting. Oh and turkeys nested in hayfields back then also. Oh and thousands of less turkey hunters also. Interesting how we had different experiences. The 80s were our worst decade by far. It was 20 years after restocking and a whole lot of timber was clearcut and our turkey population went way down. It came back starting in the early 90s. The first coyote I saw was either 1979 or 80. I caught it in a fox set and had never seen such a critter before. It was the 90s before we started seeing them regularly.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Decline of the Wild Turkey
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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05/11/24 06:26 PM
05/11/24 06:26 PM
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Posts: 15,945 Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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Unless you were around in the 70s and 80s you really don't know what large turkey numbers are. What was happening back then? Trapping for money and alot of coon hunting. Oh and turkeys nested in hayfields back then also. Oh and thousands of less turkey hunters also. Interesting how we had different experiences. The 80s were our worst decade by far. It was 20 years after restocking and a whole lot of timber was clearcut and our turkey population went way down. It came back starting in the early 90s. The first coyote I saw was either 1979 or 80. I caught it in a fox set and had never seen such a critter before. It was the 90s before we started seeing them regularly. way it was where i hunted in tallapoosa , clear cutting hurt them , was great for deer though .
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