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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: BhamFred]
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12/07/12 01:23 PM
12/07/12 01:23 PM
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So far, there is little proof bucks pass on anything hereditarily concerning antlers. maybe I'm not reading that right, but I believe that a lot of deer farmers wouldn't agree with that statement. And a lot of deer farmers don't know genetics from a hole in the ground. Deer farming is the biggest scam to come down the road in a long time.
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: 1bamashooter]
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12/07/12 01:55 PM
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BhamFred
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I know you don't like it even a little but lets try and be objective.
So please explain to me where a particular buck (on a farm) gets the shape, size, points, of his antlers from???
From the mother doe???
From the does father???
There are NO antler genes, it's just a crapshoot???
school me on this as you see it...
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: BSK]
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12/07/12 02:29 PM
12/07/12 02:29 PM
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McCalla, Al.
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Highly unlikely, as deer do not have one set of genetic code for their right antler and another set of code for their left antler. They just have genetic code for antlers. The bilateral symmetry process grows a paired set. If it's pedicle damage, he's will continue passing on good genes... So far, there is little proof bucks pass on anything hereditarily concerning antlers. Just when I thought Bryan couldn't say anything stupider, he surprises me with this. Forget it Fred. You ain't gonna get an answer on that last question and if you do it will equally as uneducated as the one above. I can't believe that people on here listen to this hack. No proof a deer passes on horn genetics............. HA
"Few things in life are worse than being unarmed or afoot. I have been both."
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: 1bamashooter]
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12/07/12 03:44 PM
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BSK: "Highly unlikely, as deer do not have one set of genetic code for their right antler and another set of code for their left antler. They just have genetic code for antlers. The bilateral symmetry process grows a paired set."
I would have to respectfully agree to disagree with you on that. I've had a big place in Marengo for almost 16 yrs now. It's right at 3000 acres. We shoot mature bucks only and have since 1998. There is a distinct antler trait on that property that is present in roughly 10% of the bucks on this property. They have no brow tine at all on their left beam. Everything is symetrical between sides, beam length, G2s and G3s but they will have a 5" brow on the right and nothing on the left, not even a bump. Most have historically been killed on the SE corner of the lease and we shoot at least one a year down there exhibiting that "no left brow" characteristic. Other deer on the place are perfectly symentrical with regard to brows. If there is no genetic code for each side, how do you explain the 10-12 bucks we've killed exhibiting this exact characteristic while the other 100 or so bucks we've killed over the years have both brows? And also the fact that most of those killed were killed in the same SE portion of the lease. Just saying.......
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: T-town]
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12/07/12 03:45 PM
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Injury related, IMO. At least a 4yr old Marengo prairie deer. This man knows his deer. 
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: 1bamashooter]
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12/07/12 04:12 PM
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abolt300, if most all the deer with that genetic trait are killed on the SE corner of the lease that would mean that the bucks with that characteristic are being born and living their whole life on one portion of your property instead of being pushed off by their mother. That isn't what is happening, I can assure you.
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: 1bamashooter]
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12/07/12 04:18 PM
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McCalla, Al.
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He can't and won't explain it, abolt300. He is way smarter than us.
Buy his book and you can learn all about it.
"Few things in life are worse than being unarmed or afoot. I have been both."
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: BSK]
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12/07/12 04:54 PM
12/07/12 04:54 PM
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Highly unlikely, as deer do not have one set of genetic code for their right antler and another set of code for their left antler. They just have genetic code for antlers. The bilateral symmetry process grows a paired set. If it's pedicle damage, he's will continue passing on good genes... So far, there is little proof bucks pass on anything hereditarily concerning antlers. Isn't there an ongoing study at Auburn about spike on one side,trying to see if it is genetic or not.I was told by a biologist in Texas that the number 1 trait passed on by a BUCK is brow tines,I personally don't know but it seems unlikely that they contribute nothing to the antlers.
Be safe & have fun
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: aldoghunter]
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12/07/12 06:09 PM
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Highly unlikely, as deer do not have one set of genetic code for their right antler and another set of code for their left antler. They just have genetic code for antlers. The bilateral symmetry process grows a paired set. If it's pedicle damage, he's will continue passing on good genes... So far, there is little proof bucks pass on anything hereditarily concerning antlers. Isn't there an ongoing study at Auburn about spike on one side,trying to see if it is genetic or not.I was told by a biologist in Texas that the number 1 trait passed on by a BUCK is brow tines,I personally don't know but it seems unlikely that they contribute nothing to the antlers. The spike on one side study concluded that most spike on one side is pedical damage. Young bucks can grow out of it, most older ones don't as I remember. Good story in Quality Whitetails (QDMA mag.) about the study a couple months ago. I'd like to see the study to support what the Texas biologist told you. I don't believe anyone has studied whitetail genetics "deep" enough to support those statements.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: BhamFred]
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12/08/12 08:49 AM
12/08/12 08:49 AM
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I know you don't like it even a little but lets try and be objective. I was being objective with my previous comments. If I said what I really think about deer farming, I would be banned from this site. So please explain to me where a particular buck (on a farm) gets the shape, size, points, of his antlers from???
From the mother doe???
From the does father???
There are NO antler genes, it's just a crapshoot???
school me on this as you see it... The jury is still out on all of the above.
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: BucksvilleFatboy]
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12/08/12 08:50 AM
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Just when I thought Bryan couldn't say anything stupider, he surprises me with this.
Coming from a deer farmer, I'm going to take that as an extraordinary compliment.
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: abolt300]
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12/08/12 08:51 AM
12/08/12 08:51 AM
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BSK: "Highly unlikely, as deer do not have one set of genetic code for their right antler and another set of code for their left antler. They just have genetic code for antlers. The bilateral symmetry process grows a paired set."
I would have to respectfully agree to disagree with you on that. I've had a big place in Marengo for almost 16 yrs now. It's right at 3000 acres. We shoot mature bucks only and have since 1998. There is a distinct antler trait on that property that is present in roughly 10% of the bucks on this property. They have no brow tine at all on their left beam. Everything is symetrical between sides, beam length, G2s and G3s but they will have a 5" brow on the right and nothing on the left, not even a bump. Most have historically been killed on the SE corner of the lease and we shoot at least one a year down there exhibiting that "no left brow" characteristic. Other deer on the place are perfectly symentrical with regard to brows. If there is no genetic code for each side, how do you explain the 10-12 bucks we've killed exhibiting this exact characteristic while the other 100 or so bucks we've killed over the years have both brows? And also the fact that most of those killed were killed in the same SE portion of the lease. Just saying....... Show me the genetics involved and then we'll talk.
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: BSK]
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12/08/12 09:04 AM
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BhamFred
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Just when I thought Bryan couldn't say anything stupider, he surprises me with this.
Coming from a deer farmer, I'm going to take that as an extraordinary compliment. try the objective part again....Fatboy ain't a deer farmer, never has been, and dosen't own or even hunt in a high fence.....he builds high fences as a business.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: BSK]
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12/08/12 09:10 AM
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abolt300
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BSK: "Highly unlikely, as deer do not have one set of genetic code for their right antler and another set of code for their left antler. They just have genetic code for antlers. The bilateral symmetry process grows a paired set."
I would have to respectfully agree to disagree with you on that. I've had a big place in Marengo for almost 16 yrs now. It's right at 3000 acres. We shoot mature bucks only and have since 1998. There is a distinct antler trait on that property that is present in roughly 10% of the bucks on this property. They have no brow tine at all on their left beam. Everything is symetrical between sides, beam length, G2s and G3s but they will have a 5" brow on the right and nothing on the left, not even a bump. Most have historically been killed on the SE corner of the lease and we shoot at least one a year down there exhibiting that "no left brow" characteristic. Other deer on the place are perfectly symentrical with regard to brows. If there is no genetic code for each side, how do you explain the 10-12 bucks we've killed exhibiting this exact characteristic while the other 100 or so bucks we've killed over the years have both brows? And also the fact that most of those killed were killed in the same SE portion of the lease. Just saying....... Show me the genetics involved and then we'll talk. my brother in law has 3 of them mounted that look like twinkies and all score 115-125. Killed over the past 5 years within 300 yds of each other. I'll try to get him to take some pics so you can see what I'm talking about
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: BhamFred]
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12/08/12 09:26 AM
12/08/12 09:26 AM
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Just when I thought Bryan couldn't say anything stupider, he surprises me with this.
Coming from a deer farmer, I'm going to take that as an extraordinary compliment. try the objective part again....Fatboy ain't a deer farmer, never has been, and dosen't own or even hunt in a high fence.....he builds high fences as a business. And deer farms are behind what? A high-fence perhaps? I've read enough of Fatboys posts to know where his allegiances lie.
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: abolt300]
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12/08/12 09:31 AM
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my brother in law has 3 of them mounted that look like twinkies and all score 115-125. Killed over the past 5 years within 300 yds of each other. I'll try to get him to take some pics so you can see what I'm talking about I understand what your saying abolt300. But deer do not have a genetic code for one antler and a different genetic code for the other antler. No animal works that way. We (nor any other animal) do not have separate genes for the development of our right and left arm or right and left leg. We just have genes for arms and legs. Actual differences in growth between the two is a different process.
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: 1bamashooter]
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12/08/12 11:36 AM
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so building high fences for a living makes one a deer farmer??
pretty good jump, I think ole Evil K would be proud of that leap.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Is it bad genes or injury?
[Re: 1bamashooter]
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12/08/12 05:38 PM
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No such thing as a right sided gene or a left sided gene. Either body or pedicle injury.
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