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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: bowtarist]
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12/26/12 09:42 AM
12/26/12 09:42 AM
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AWESOME picture sequence bill_collector!
That buck definitely knew something was up. I suspect it was either a recently positioned stand or the scent left behind while setting up the camera. Bucks don't get mature by being stupid, especially on a public hunting area. Mature bucks quickly notice anything new, from a newly positioned stand to fresh human scent.
Over the years of running trail-cameras during hunting season, some of "tricks" I've learned are:
* Use only black-flash trail-cameras. Some deer are highly sensative to visible flash (either white flash or red-glow) and will quickly learn to avoid triggering the camera. These deer dont leave the area, they just walk around the camera.
* Keep human scent to a minimum when setting up and checking cameras. I've gone to riding right up to my cameras on an ATV instead of walking to the cameras. It appears an ATV lays down less scent than a person walking does. I also wear a rainsuit when checking cameras (the "slick" outer layer type, not the soft plush outer layer type). I keep that rainsuit washed in scent reducing soaps, and it doesn't appear to leave as much scent on brush, branches, and grass that it brushes against as cotton or other clothing materials do.
* For getting buck pictures, nothing beats having cameras over scrapes around the rut. Not only do scrapes serve as sort of "bait" to draw bucks in front of the camera, even older bucks appear to put up with more human activity around scrapes than in "travel corridor" situations.
* When setting up or checking cameras, don't touch anything in the environment with your bare hands. The oils from your skin will stick to anything you touch for a VERY long time (potentially weeks). I wear at least thin gloves while setting up/checking cameras, especially if I have to trim branches/grass from in front of the camera.
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: ridgestalker]
#481757
12/26/12 09:43 AM
12/26/12 09:43 AM
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The scent being left in the area does more harm than anything.If he smells where you've been in there while he's on his midnight stroll that area becomes a dark only spot.These bucks have spots that they know that they've never smelled human scent b4. I believe that's how they choose their safe core areas. During those long night walks that get a real good idea of what's going on during the daytime just from scent left in a area.Rubber boots are most important thing IMO in keeping area fresh. Dead on! They'll seek out sancuaries and cores NOT to be bothered. Every year an old buck gets under his belt, he's learning. Now, I know they can't reason, but they sharpen their human avoidance skills. They become like grumpy old men, they don't like to be bothered, don't like change. These ridge runnin', big timber bucks you're hunting can be tough when middle aged but let them get 4.5 and older it sure doesn't get easier. I am amazed at how much difference rubber or rubber bottom boots makes,a must have!
"Why do you ask"?
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: BSK]
#481762
12/26/12 09:47 AM
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AWESOME picture sequence bill_collector!
That buck definitely knew something was up. I suspect it was either a recently positioned stand or the scent left behind while setting up the camera. Bucks don't get mature by being stupid, especially on a public hunting area. Mature bucks quickly notice anything new, from a newly positioned stand to fresh human scent.
Over the years of running trail-cameras during hunting season, some of "tricks" I've learned are:
* Use only black-flash trail-cameras. Some deer are highly sensative to visible flash (either white flash or red-glow) and will quickly learn to avoid triggering the camera. These deer dont leave the area, they just walk around the camera.
* Keep human scent to a minimum when setting up and checking cameras. I've gone to riding right up to my cameras on an ATV instead of walking to the cameras. It appears an ATV lays down less scent than a person walking does. I also wear a rainsuit when checking cameras (the "slick" outer layer type, not the soft plush outer layer type). I keep that rainsuit washed in scent reducing soaps, and it doesn't appear to leave as much scent on brush, branches, and grass that it brushes against as cotton or other clothing materials do.
* For getting buck pictures, nothing beats having cameras over scrapes around the rut. Not only do scrapes serve as sort of "bait" to draw bucks in front of the camera, even older bucks appear to put up with more human activity around scrapes than in "travel corridor" situations.
* When setting up or checking cameras, don't touch anything in the environment with your bare hands. The oils from your skin will stick to anything you touch for a VERY long time (potentially weeks). I wear at least thin gloves while setting up/checking cameras, especially if I have to trim branches/grass from in front of the camera. Good stuff^^^^. The old school rain suit is a heck of a good idea.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: 2Dogs]
#481763
12/26/12 09:48 AM
12/26/12 09:48 AM
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The scent being left in the area does more harm than anything.If he smells where you've been in there while he's on his midnight stroll that area becomes a dark only spot.These bucks have spots that they know that they've never smelled human scent b4. I believe that's how they choose their safe core areas. During those long night walks that get a real good idea of what's going on during the daytime just from scent left in a area.Rubber boots are most important thing IMO in keeping area fresh. Dead on! They'll seek out sancuaries and cores NOT to be bothered. Every year an old buck gets under his belt, he's learning. Now, I know they can't reason, but they sharpen their human avoidance skills. They become like grumpy old men, they don't like to be bothered, don't like change. These ridge runnin', big timber bucks you're hunting can be tough when middle aged but let them get 4.5 and older it sure doesn't get easier. Dead on the money ridgestalker and 2Dogs. Older bucks quickly find de facto sanctuaries (accidental sanctuaries that develop because no one is hunting that area) by simply wandering arond until they find the areas where they encounter no human scent. And then guess where they are going to spend the majority of their daylight hours? In those de facto sanctuaries.
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: BSK]
#481771
12/26/12 09:55 AM
12/26/12 09:55 AM
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The scent being left in the area does more harm than anything.If he smells where you've been in there while he's on his midnight stroll that area becomes a dark only spot.These bucks have spots that they know that they've never smelled human scent b4. I believe that's how they choose their safe core areas. During those long night walks that get a real good idea of what's going on during the daytime just from scent left in a area.Rubber boots are most important thing IMO in keeping area fresh. Dead on! They'll seek out sancuaries and cores NOT to be bothered. Every year an old buck gets under his belt, he's learning. Now, I know they can't reason, but they sharpen their human avoidance skills. They become like grumpy old men, they don't like to be bothered, don't like change. These ridge runnin', big timber bucks you're hunting can be tough when middle aged but let them get 4.5 and older it sure doesn't get easier. Dead on the money ridgestalker and 2Dogs. Older bucks quickly find de facto sanctuaries (accidental sanctuaries that develop because no one is hunting that area) by simply wandering arond until they find the areas where they encounter no human scent. And then guess where they are going to spend the majority of their daylight hours? In those de facto sanctuaries. How many times have you heard of someone taking their goofy brother in law hunting, and sending him to the roughest ,thickest place no one ever hunts and ol' bil shoots OL' Big Boy they've been after for years. Good thread BTW.
Last edited by 2Dogs; 12/26/12 09:56 AM.
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Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: bowtarist]
#481784
12/26/12 10:12 AM
12/26/12 10:12 AM
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I wear gloves and also spray my camera with scent killer after I hang it, it helps kill some of the scent I put out. I do everything possible to keep my scent down when putting out my camera because like most on this thread once a mature deer senses something he changes. If you hunt on a hunting club go look at the sign in sheet and see where everyone has been hunting and notice the places that haven't been hunted or are over looked, this time of year right before the chasing phase of the rut you'll probably find a good'un.
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: 2Dogs]
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12/26/12 10:16 AM
12/26/12 10:16 AM
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How many times have you heard of someone taking their goofy brother in law hunting, and sending him to the roughest ,thickest place no one ever hunts and ol' bil shoots OL' Big Boy they've been after for years. One reason I don't mind getting the last stand, listening, hearing all the complaints about X-stand or X-area, choosing the roughest area or being put near the woolly swamp. Great camera sequence, bill_collector.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: Clem]
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12/26/12 10:20 AM
12/26/12 10:20 AM
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How many times have you heard of someone taking their goofy brother in law hunting, and sending him to the roughest ,thickest place no one ever hunts and ol' bil shoots OL' Big Boy they've been after for years. One reason I don't mind getting the last stand, listening, hearing all the complaints about X-stand or X-area, choosing the roughest area or being put near the woolly swamp. Great camera sequence, bill_collector. I hear ya Clem, when ever I'm a guest I'll just say point me to the roughest, thickest place no one hunts. I'll be yo bil.
Last edited by 2Dogs; 12/26/12 10:24 AM.
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: bowtarist]
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12/26/12 10:52 AM
12/26/12 10:52 AM
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Clem
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Arctic Shield -- damn fine cold weather gear, but you'll sweat if you walk
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: BrentM]
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12/26/12 12:32 PM
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You got it Brent. I've posted before how it makes me snicker seeing hunters come in the store with $400 bucks worth of Scent-loc and Muck boots on. They leave smelling like bologna samich, gas ,oil, cigs, some old ladys perfume. I believe your hunting boots should only be worn in the woods. Mine along with my outer wear, stay in a plactic bag with bout 1/2 box of baking soda. When I camp they all stay outside and outer wear gets hung on a line. I do wear them in my old Toyota I drive around on the place, but it has no carpet and don't go to the BP. I've been known to pour baking soda in the floor board, and keep the seat sprayed with scent killer. I know a lot of guys think those of us that hunt this area and go to these extremes are nuts, and are not necessary, but we get results, and if it ain't broke, don't break it.
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: 2Dogs]
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12/26/12 12:49 PM
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I've been known to pour baking soda in the floor board, and keep the seat sprayed with scent killer. So, you're admitting you're gassy?
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"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: Clem]
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12/26/12 12:51 PM
12/26/12 12:51 PM
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I've been known to pour baking soda in the floor board, and keep the seat sprayed with scent killer. So, you're admitting you're gassy? My plumbing works great!
"Why do you ask"?
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: BrentM]
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12/26/12 01:36 PM
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I think the biggest place people mess up is wearing their boots in the truck that they're gonna wear in the woods. I keep mine in a box in the back of the truck so the bottom of them doesn't smell like my floorboard/BP parking lot. Guy I graduated school with owned a very successful construction company. Doziers/loaders/semis/dumptrucks, ect... He was always covered in grease. He killed more big bucks than anyone I know. Hunted in a pair of slip on boots covered in oil and grease and a pair of insulated Carhart bibs, also covered in grease.
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: bowtarist]
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12/26/12 01:47 PM
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I think we never get to old to learn,I am reading and sharing some of my ideas,and even though I feel like I am a decent buck hunter,and have killed several mature bucks,reading some of these comments,I think gives me more tricks to add to my hat.I have never thought of using a rain suit to help me keep scent down while running trail cams,I did mention in an earlier post about hunting him 3 or 4 days,but I should have went into more detail,I will usually never sit the same stand more than 2 times,I am more of an area hunter,and when I said 3 or 4 days I really mean the area,My hunting lease is broke up in several different tracts,and I may be on 40 acres for 4 days then hunt a mile away on another 60 acre tract for the next 4 days. I also have several sanctuarys that I never step foot on,and I will hunt the perimeters of these as the wind,and conditions permit.thanks guys for your input as well I feel like I am learning,even though I have been at this awhile.
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: jmj120]
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12/26/12 02:00 PM
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I think the biggest place people mess up is wearing their boots in the truck that they're gonna wear in the woods. I keep mine in a box in the back of the truck so the bottom of them doesn't smell like my floorboard/BP parking lot. Guy I graduated school with owned a very successful construction company. Doziers/loaders/semis/dumptrucks, ect... He was always covered in grease. He killed more big bucks than anyone I know. Hunted in a pair of slip on boots covered in oil and grease and a pair of insulated Carhart bibs, also covered in grease. It all depends on the situation or the setup for that day. If I'm hunting an area from the perimeter, (in other words you don't have to intrude into the woods, or if so not very far) then it's not as critical to be scent free. If you are hunting a clear cut from the edge, or you are setup hunting the edge of a field (obviously on the correct wind), then you don't have to worry as much . I have a couple of places like this that I can hunt after work without ever really stepping foot into the "woods". But when I do go into the woods that I hunt, I am very careful to be as scent free as possible, and then I do my best to enter in and out in a way that least impacts the woods. Sometimes that mean walking the long way around rather than taking the short cut. I do run cameras at times during the season, but don't check them very often, and when I do I try to go in right before a rain storm if possible to minimize any traces of my scent.
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: t123winters]
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12/26/12 02:02 PM
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t123winters, I do the area thing as well. I'll hunt a stand a couple days then expand out a little , still same deer and area just make a move. I don't know my % of bucks that are killed first time in a stand during pre- breeding/breeding phase but it's very high, well over 50%. A couple hunts in one stand with no action when they're rockin' I'm ready to make an adjustment.
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Re: Mature buck on skyline
[Re: jmj120]
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12/26/12 02:07 PM
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I think the biggest place people mess up is wearing their boots in the truck that they're gonna wear in the woods. I keep mine in a box in the back of the truck so the bottom of them doesn't smell like my floorboard/BP parking lot. Guy I graduated school with owned a very successful construction company. Doziers/loaders/semis/dumptrucks, ect... He was always covered in grease. He killed more big bucks than anyone I know. Hunted in a pair of slip on boots covered in oil and grease and a pair of insulated Carhart bibs, also covered in grease. Congrats to him. Lord I hope he don't never go hunting with that guy that everybody knows that smokes like a chimney and never hunts the wind and kills a bunch of big deer........ They'd get together and start piling up big bucks left and right and all the sudden all them gas and grease fumes would mix with them cigarettes and they would spontaneously combust and we wouldn't never get them put out.
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